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The Pre-incarnate God emptied Himself and was then begotten and named Jesus. But here is a more in depth study and interesting perspective. Sonship was not eternal. The second person of of the Trinity was not a son prior to His incarnation http://www.romans45.org/articles/sonship.htm

@Matthias @Wrangler, There is an impenetrable wall between us. Our conversations are futile and I knew that long ago, but carried on for the sake of others reading through this thread. So I must bid you farewell, God Bless. No hard feelings I hope.

God became flesh and dwelt among us! ( John 1:14) The Word is God. Jesus is the Word. It is cut and dry, a child can get it. Jesus is the Light, not a reflection of it. Your analogy is flawed, leaning on your own understanding. But keep looking at yourself in the mirror. You will change over...

No, I don't see a problem with those translations, just with the Geneva translation of John 1:3-4 I reference about eight translations, because none are perfect. I do have my favorites. But if they mess with specific essential doctrines, I won't use them at all. But in your case, I did to...

Slippery. Avoiding the person, Himself. But Who or what is the Holy Spirit to you? God, a person, distinct from Jesus and the Father or just an impersonal force/power of God, and if so could be referred to as "it"? It is possible that the error of not acknowledging the the Holy Spirit as a...

Jesus IS the exact radiance of God's glory in the full. You can't being exactly like God unless you are God. Here are 33 English translations that make that claim: "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory" NIV, ESV, NASB, LSB, AMP, CSB, Holman, NET, WEB, EHV, ESV, HCSB, MEV, MOUNCE, NIRV "Who...

So what is your take on Hebrews 1:8? Will you also offer a "superb translation" that words it differently?

You presented your idea of a superb translation, the Geneva Bible. Here is your understanding of Jesus, Who is described as the WORD. "All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and that life was the light of men. And that light shineth in the...

You refer to the Son of God, the Word as "it", using a translation you called superb. And then you made this statement: "Christ Jesus is a begotten / created being; begotten / created by His God and my God, by his Father and my Father. A created being cannot be God, who is the Creator. You...

As long as souls aren't in jeopardy. Didn't even get into the Holy Spirit ... blaspheming Him is the final jeopardy answer.

Jesus relinquished His glory temporarily while He emptied Himself into a human vessel. He came as a humble servant to be the sacrificial lamb, obedient and submissive to the Father as an example for us to follow. Then when He accomplished His task, His glory was returned to Him. The Father said...

He said, "Before Abraham existed, I Am" That was a reference to Exodus 3:14, in God's introduction to Moses: Tell them "I Am" sent me to you. It was the Pre-incarnate Christ Himself who spoke to Moses. Later He would reveal Himself fully as the Great I Am. I am the Way, the Truth and the Life...

Well, sort of. But a blind person can give any reason under the sun, not to believe. It doesn't matter what the reason is, they are not capable of seeing the truth until God lifts that veil. That is one of the reasons the Pharisees wanted Him dead, because He claimed to be equal to His Father...

Not about the fundamentals/essentials of the Christian faith. As far as the non-essentials, things we see dimly, of course. To me, we can be certain of some things, hold onto to them and other things take time to understand. God gives us truth in bits and pieces, gradually. Some truth we are not...

What the soul intent of spreading the Gospel? Isn't that supposed to change minds and hearts, leading one ultimately to a spiritual change? The Bible is filled with dos and don'ts, in irder5 that we follow a righteous path and renew our minds. God draws a person to Himself. He orchestrates...

Really, is this your quote that reflects openness to change ... flexibility? "We’ve had this conversation before. You haven’t changed your mind and I haven’t changed mine. I respect that." You know it's odd that in 32 years I've never met a Christian that adamantly or even mildly claimed to...

Thanks, but I'm not at all riled, just brushing the dirt off my sandals and moving on. There is no reason to hang around, as he said, he won't change his mind, it's futile.

The KJV was the most popular. But any translation that would describe the Son of God as "it", needs to be chucked! I'm done.

No, you said the Geneva Bible is superb and it is your choice and it says "BY Him": "For by him were all things created which are in heaven, and which are in earth, things visible and invisible: whether they be Thrones, or Dominions, or Principalities, or Powers, all things were created by him...

The Geneva translation concerning these verses is way off the mark: "All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and that life was the light of men. And that light shineth in the darkenesse, and the darkenesse comprehended it not." Look up the...