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Could you please post Romans 14:23? It states that if you do something against your conscience it's a SIN.... It does not state that a person will be condemned because this would go against all that the NT teaches. The NT teaches that if we sin we are forgiven upon asking for forgiveness. It...

I give up GracePeace! You seem to vacillate from one postition to the other and I just don't think it's important for me to understand you 100%. Although it would be nice to speak the same language. Christians walk according to their convictions. Why do you think there are so many...

I read your tirade. That's all it is. You do like to hear yourself speak - I will say that. Love is the basis for the Christian religion. Not hate. Not pride. 'nuff said.

Your last sentence made the post pretty funny! I think what @Grailhunter is alluding to was in my first post to you on this thread. You use terms that are a little different than what most are used to so it creates questions as to what exactly you mean. But it's our life that counts and not...

I don't have study tools. I've studied the bible with 2 different denominations and know a third. I read it for myself and make sure I understand what is being said in the bible... if I hear something different, I do look up commentaries, but rarely and after reading differing opinions I stand...

OK. Righteous just means that we are right with God. But some speak of our having the righteousness of God. There's some nuance here I can't quite grasp...my belief is that this phrase is being used incorrectly. From the moment we become born again we must be righteous of our own doing.... It...

2 of 2 @Aunty Jane GOD IS IMMORTAL. If you remember, having studied the bible for 50 years, Jesus resurrected from the dead and won death. Does this not quality as being immortal? Did Jesus remain dead? Did He just die in a spiritual sense? I'm not going to be discussing this with you ad...

No Auntie Jane. In the full understanding of what being a Christian means, you should not consider yourself a Christian. YOU don't get to make the requirements for being defined as Christian. This was done at Jesus death and shortly thereafter by the church you detest, why I certainly don't...

Yes, absolutely I see the difference. You're in the second category.

And herein lies the difference between the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant !

I'm sorry Marks. I'm willing to continue if you wish. I'm always worried that this type of conversation might negatively affect someone who puts all his trust in every word in the bible. It's up to you...

LOL I was agreeing with you. :blush:

Yes. I understand you Marks. But one of the reasons that some do NOT believe in 6 literal days is because of this Sabbath rest that we're still in. I'm not too keen on having this conversation. You should believe what you believe. The important thing is that you believe in God, love Jesus and...

Right. Believe and obey and abide is always in the present tense. An on-going assessment to put it your way.

Of course they're misreading Paul...I hear this all the time. Some believe that being baptized is a work. Obeying is a work. EVERYTHING is a work. There was a member (not here) that stated clearly that obeying God is a work because we're not letting God work for us but we're working for our own...

My point is that you should believe in God Father. So good ending to a good conversation.

But we are justified now.... no need to wait till the day of judgment. Unless you mean that we could always decide to walk away from God and so won't be sure of our salvation till that day. (which is a biblical understanding).

Science denies the scriptures now. It used to be that science upheld the scriptures. This has more to do with post-modernism than with biblical problems. We shouldn't think that we need to choose between science or religion... We have both and need both. Science does not explain the...

OK I think we're on the same page... but the wording you use is new to me.... Your last paragraph explains well what I believe and have been posting.

But the law is dead. We cannot have "our own righteousness". I think you might want to stop using righteousness as you do. The ONLY righteousness we have is from faith in God/Jesus. If we want to be right with God, we must have faith in God. Like what for instance? The righteousness of God...