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Don't know if I'm up to explaining it more than I have tried to do...not young any more and my brain isn't aging well at all, I'm sorry. But if I have been understanding you, you are making a case that "hell"/hades in scripture is only referring to physical death. Whereas I'm making the case...

Do you think it is talking about physical death and decay.....I dont' think so, because it says it's better to enter heaven maimed than that thy whole body be cast into hell. "Hell" or hades in this instance is not talking about a physical grave where only the body is destroyed....since...

Do you think there will be combustion taking place and literal worms eating the soul? They are expressing a "death" taking place on another level. Man is not qualified to judge his fellows, but God is and does! I do not even judge myself on that level....you would have to ask He who is my judge!

Eternal fire and the worm that doesn't die are allegorical. And you still haven't said how you interpret those passages. As to the rest of your post, well, you are seeing things from a fleshly and man-centred point of view. A lot of the questions you ask actually amounts to sitting in...

These are allegories, not literal. As I said the picture I get from it, is that of permanence, ie, no coming back from the second death/lake of fire. It tells me that death of the soul will be permanent. Death will feed forever on those souls, allegorically. If you have another...

Some of them are allegorical as well. The grave, physical death.....destruction of the body and the permanency of it....gives us a picture of what will happen to the soul and I believe is certainly part of creation telling the story (that mankind is without excuse). The lake of fire/second...

The reason that believers will receive an immortal spiritual body is to provide a "house" and covering for the soul....because the soul needs it to live....eternal life. Soul is what makes us, us.

Amen. Should be clear to anyone with Grade One reading skills that the lake of fire and "hell" is portrayed as something dire, and to be avoided at any cost. Teachings that send the message to people that it's not dangerous to play Russian roulette with their salvation have to come into...

So you're saying that hell just means the grave? No, rather the grave is often used as an allegory for hell. That is clear because while not everyone is cast into hell, all will die in the grave. The body (of everyone) is destroyed in the grave, but I believe the "second" death is about...

Our God IS a consuming fire. Nothing that is temporal can stand in His presence. No man can "see" God in all His glory and live. That is why we need to be "in" Christ an "of" Him, His Spirit, in order to be able to withstand and not be consumed by it/Him/His fire. Sheltered in the cleft of...

Quite a few people are saying that hell isn't forever, that souls in hell are redeemed at some point........so I seek the Lord for the truth, putting my druthers on the altar and retaining no vested interest in the answer........if anything I would rather believe what they are saying, all the...

All I can say is the Lord is never happy with those who don't give Him the fear that is due Him because He is worthy. Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (I suspect the...

Agree that scripture is chock full of types and shadows and allegory......He speaks to us in parables. And I do consider that a lot of it is also speaking to us on a personal level. But rightly dividing it all is another thing, and possibly we could never finish plumbing the depths of it all in...

Bible says the mind of man plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps. There has to be an element of free will in the planning of one's way. Maybe we could think of it as being limited free will in a way. But the Lord is sovereign over all. This verse comes to mind as well......I don't...

The bible says we are "elect according to the foreknowledge of God." Parable of the sower comes to mind as well.....whether the soil of the heart is rocky or good soil etc.

Kind of both I believe, but I see it as the Lord being sovereign over everything that concerns a world that is under His wrath. There is a lot of unbelievable evil and wickedness around, that is for sure. But it's all under God ultimately, whether to bless or to curse, to judge and chastise...

Who created the thief to kill steal and destroy? Why does the weapon formed against us not prosper against us?......Who formed the weapon? Who gave the devil permission to sift Job? Why did Jesus say to Pilate you would have no power over me except it be given by God? We need to see the...

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips. 1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you...

I agree.......all the more reason to understand that it's not all about us. And it takes nothing away from our personal responsibility....else we would have to call the Lord unjust. Man-centred, humanistic gospels just don't fly.

oh, it's not as if it is all bad out there. We see God's mercy all around too....the rain that falls on the just and the unjust, the sun rises each day, people are allowed to live out there lives generally, children play, there is food to eat mostly, and a roof over people's heads generally...