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    OSAS Revamps it's Image: Not Sinners nor Saints

    I believe I was absolutely clear in saying I don't, nor should any Christian who understands that to do so would be, at best, to do something that would make me a raving hypocrite, and at worst presume to do something only God (because He is God) can possibly do, and thus to make myself out to...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Absolutely. Thank you F2F. I'll expound a bit: In the tabernacle, the ark of the covenant was the place of propitiation. How could a holy God dwell in the midst of a sinful people? Further, how could a sinful people ever hope to approach a holy God and not be destroyed, as were Nadab and...
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    OSAS Revamps it's Image: Not Sinners nor Saints

    Not what I was saying at all, Robert. Are you really so lacking in being able to understand... anything? The only thing I've run out of is patience with you in your repeated misdirection and misunderstanding, and your total lack of humility and grace, Robert. Grace and peace to you, my friend.
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    This forum certainly has it's share of colorful characters... :) Grace and peace to all of you.
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    WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ?

    Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father, as Paul says: "...He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places..." Ephesians 1:20 "If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated...
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    OSAS Revamps it's Image: Not Sinners nor Saints

    Ah, so Scripture itself is of no substance to you. Gotcha. Such a terrible misunderstanding and misrepresentation of true "OSAS." Precisely your problem, Robert. The very reason you can't get out of and past yourself. Grace and peace to you, Robert.
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    OSAS Revamps it's Image: Not Sinners nor Saints

    Ah, now sin is condemned, Robert. You're changing your own argument here and don't even realize it, apparently. But the transgressor, if he/she is believer, if he/she is in Christ ~ the person ~ is not. Okay, I'll accept that (as if I haven't before...), but the believer, who is in Christ...
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    OSAS Revamps it's Image: Not Sinners nor Saints

    LOL! No, but He makes perfect what is not perfect despite its imperfection through the work of His Spirit. He is making us mature, lacking in nothing (James 1) and making all things new, including us (Revelation 21). But for each of us in this life, that is a work in progress, His work, which...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    And today. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Even today. Are you waving that away, dad? Because it sure seems...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    LOL!!!! I think ~ my opinion is, dad ~ that we can safely rule out that there was, is, or ever will be anywhere an actual pregnant woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head. But Revelation 12 clearly says that, so we have to do something...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    You know, quite frankly, I'm not even sure what to make of this statement. It's a bit of a head-scratcher... :) The lessons in which the ark appears or is spoken of were always the same and always will be, no matter where the ark is now or even if it no longer exists. If the ark is in...
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    WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ?

    I know. :) Well, there were no "suggestions." :) I would stop far short of calling them commands, though. :) But I very much appreciate the humility, Earburner; thank you for that. Well, okay, but also our model in all things for loving God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    The whole Revelation of John ~ it is called the revelation of John ~ is a vision. Hey, we've been talking about Revelation 11, but let's talk just for a second about, say, Revelation 12. We read: "And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Total non sequitur... <eye roll> A total miss of the purpose that the ark served in the days of the ancient Israelites... and that it serves for us today. The object lesson that is was, and is. For all of Israel, which is a people, both then and now. Yet again... Wow. Just wow... I dismiss...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    That's not what I'm saying, dad. Well, I disagree that "God tells us that it is now in heaven." Yes, you will say it's right there in Revelation 11. I think there is great significance in what is there in Revelation 11, but I think you're applying a stone-cold literal aspect to it that...
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    WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ?

    Ah... you know, I agree with what you say here, Earburner, at least in part, but not fully. I think what you are saying is not untrue, at least to a certain extent, but falls short of the whole truth. Surely you will acknowledge what Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 1:3-4, that the Father is the...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Like I said, it matters not. It was just a thing, really. Yes, it was a very important "thing" in those ancient days, and what it represented and pointed to was and is ~ to say the least ~ a very important Thing. :) But just a thing it was ~ a type, a shadow, and not the real Thing Who was...
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    OSAS Revamps it's Image: Not Sinners nor Saints

    Well, I'm not going to be directed in my communications ~ I would never do such a thing myself ~ and thus am going to answer this question as I please. :) I get ~ loud and clear ~ what you've been trying to do in this whole conversation, Robert. You've been, quite without subtlety, trying to...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Sure, and that can be an interesting conversation to have, I guess, but not of any real consequence. We don't worship a boat. :) Or a box. :) But by all means, carry on. Yeah, no problems here... :) Hmm, "was." So you think what is being spoken of in Revelation 11:15-19 is in the past...
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    OSAS Revamps it's Image: Not Sinners nor Saints

    No, but in the context of having been born again of the Spirit ~ made spiritually alive and thus (though not yet fully) of God. And that's the Biblical context. Ah, Galatians 5. Such a great passage. The issue in all this is lack of repentance from sin, Robert. And in that case, no...