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LOL! Yes, I agree. But that does not diminish the fact that they were representative of Christ Jesus, the our Savior, Who carries us through the flood as the Ark did Noah and his family, and contains the Law in Himself ~ we are under the Law of Christ ~ as the ark contained the Law of God...

LOL! As if I was lacking in specificity (at all) in posts 38 and 45 above... :) Grace and peace to you, Earburner.

Do you not understand Paul to be saying that very thing in Romans 8:1-4? After explaining about our condition about falling short of the glory of God and our ongoing inability to avoid sin, He says: "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the...

Thanks for this discussion, friends. I like being able to speak freely with other Christians and exchange ideas about such great things. Iron does sharpen iron indeed. And I like that it causes me to think deeply about these things, or, as Paul puts it, to think about whatever is true...

I like that, Dropship! But I think her mum would have told her about that even before she could understand, and then over and over and over again thereafter... :) As a parent, that's not something I could have kept a secret from anyone, much less my own daughter. :) Grace and peace to you.

Absolutely not. You're misunderstanding. For those in Christ, there's no more condemnation for sin, not for not running the race. This is Romans 8:1. The very fact that God, through Paul, says that there is no more condemnation for sin for those in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1) means there is...

Anyone ever heard of the Old Testament types and shadows ~ which, in those and through the prophets, was how God spoke to the Israelites ~ of Christ? My goodness. And in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son. This is Hebrews 1:1-2, by the way. But yes, Christ Jesus said on more...

Well, not to offend, but that has been painfully obvious. :) Agreed. As I said, that is the heresy of antinomianism, that there are no longer any consequences of sin. And Paul is very clear in his refutation of such an understanding in Romans 6, where he says, "What then? Are we to sin...

Well not yet, no, because eternity, the age to come, has not yet begun... :) But we will all be resurrected at the end of the present age, some to eternal life and others to judgment, and are all destined to existence in eternity, the question being where we will dwell in that age ~...

I'm going to parse your question out a bit if you don't mind: "brandnew" God does say that He makes all things new in the new heaven and new earth. We should notice that He says, "I am making all things new," rather than "I am making all new things." So I would dispense with the idea of...

I'm straight up, Robert. There is no mystery with me. But point taken. I do. But, point taken. This statement seems like you're mixing what should be two separate sentences, Robert. Read it. It seems to contradict itself. Or maybe it's just kind of discombobulated. Yeah, if we agree...

You know, Robert, if you had been clear about ultimate salvation at the end of the age (as opposed to the salvation we have now and are assured of) then we (probably) never would have had all this misunderstanding. I would exhort you to be... less difficult. :) Grace and peace to you.

Right, in spirit, and for the duration of this age. But in the age to come (eternity), the spirits of previously deceased Christians and non-Christians will be reunited with their physical bodies. This is the general resurrection at the end of this age, upon Jesus's return. Some will be...

Revisionist history. Very commonplace these days, unfortunately. Well, I agree that if Jesus did not "fully die" then that would certainly affect our view of redemption, but even if one accepts that the three members of the triune Godhead are eternally joined and cannot be separated, it does...

But you can't accept, much less appreciate, that Jesus is fully man and fully God and stand in disagreement with the fact that the Godhead is at least a duality ~ the Father and the Son. Requirements to appreciate that Jesus is fully man and fully God? I mean, it must be understood that God is...

But OSAS, properly understood, totally rebukes such a misunderstanding. You have been ranting and raving about a false form of "OSAS," which, yes, there are some who hold to, but that is a terrible misunderstanding. A proper understanding of "OSAS" in no way advocates that obedience and works...

He is. Jesus is very clear about that in John 14. Much to correct in your posts above, but what I have said previously is very sufficient. Grace and peace to you, Earburner.

That's pretty much what we "OSASers" have been saying all along, Robert. Salvation, though, is of the Lord, and not of the Lord and man. If this salvific work of justification and the giving of true, saving faith is done, then our good works are a natural consequence of God's work, and we do...

Great bookends: John 1 ~ “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ as the prophet Isaiah said”... John the Baptist saying he was the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy in Isaiah 40:3 ~ "A Voice cries: 'In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD...

Well, maybe that, but Robert has a wrong-headed idea of what "OSAS" really is in the first place. Grace and peace to you, MMD.