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I understand that's a great translation. Rest of post deleted

Great response replying to someone who does not believe in the Trinity. You are on the top of your game today.

They're not the only ones

You didn't read the rest of my post. You're trying to put limits on God. That is illogical.

About one thing and I just explained why.

Trinitarians rejected Arius and his belief that there was a time when the Son did not exist.

Read the article in the link I posted. The Father tells the Son when he can go get his bride.

God is not limited by your logic. It's not logical to create a man out of dust, a woman out of a rib, have a donkey speak, have a man wrestle an angel, or a virgin give birth. To win a war by marching around a city, or by a man having his hands raised, to flood the whole world or to have your...

Jesus said that about his return because he was using the Jewish wedding model. The Father tells the Son when he can go get his bride. The Wedding Model: Pattern is Prologue: The Rapture, Part 2: – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House

Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century, was the first to use "Trinity"[8] "person" and "substance"[9] to explain that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are "one in essence – not one in Person

You don't think he contributed to the doctrine by coining the term?

I take it to mean he endorsed Montanism

Orthodoxy (from Greek: ὀρθοδοξία, orthodoxía, 'righteous/correct opinion')[1][2] is adherence to correct or accepted creeds, especially in religion.[3] Orthodoxy within Christianity refers to acceptance of the doctrines defined by various creeds and ecumenical councils in Antiquity, but...

Tertullian was never recognized as a saint by the Eastern or Western Catholic churches. Several of his teachings on issues such as the clear subordination of the Son and Spirit to the Father,[8][9] as well as his condemnation of remarriage for widows and of fleeing from persecution, contradict...

Tertullian originated new theological concepts and advanced the development of early Church doctrine. He is perhaps most famous for being the first writer in Latin known to use the term trinity (Latin: trinitas).[7]

I reject your logic maybe

This is a Christian Forum I was speaking of but it's full of atheists, agnostics and evolutionists

But weren't his ideas built upon? Is it wrong to suggest he contributed to the doctrine?

Maybe they feel the evidence supports their beliefs.

I think this is one of those things that people debate and no one knows the definitive answer. I think the Son has always existed with the Father but I can't prove it.