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I certainly don't mean it as that. To me Daniel was told to seal certain things unto the end, and all the things pertaining to the abomination of desolation fit into that future time to come, especially unto Israel as a nation again. There are references to the middle of the week 1260 days, 1290...

No sir Dave, to me the time of the sacrifice being taken away is that we read of in Dan 8:11 where the little horn, the false prophet takes away the daily sacrifice for the period of 1290 days in the time of the end. (Dan 8:17) In Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be...

I agree. I didn't mean to, and must have said it wrong somehow to give that impression. To me the 70th week of Daniel was complete, and actually ended with the stoning of Stephen. That leaves us with "What is Dan 9:27 saying?" Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut...

Hi Vexatious, have you considered how Jesus' angel is with Jesus prior to the tribulation; how does he get there if not caught up? He is our brethren. A second occurance is those of Rev 4:4, the twenty-four elders, and those of rev 4:6, the four beasts or living ones. They are round about, and...

Amen, and preparing a bride for Jesus. There are going to be those of the body of christ that will be joint heirs with Him if so be ... Rom 8:17.

Good. What do you think of Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that...

Praise God, I think you're seeing another of the great flaws much of God's very own people have owned. They attempt to push the seventieth week of Daniel to be the starting point of the tribulation to come upon all the world. We might call that time another week of Daniel, and that being Dan...

Hi again Dave L. Hopefully I've got good news for you, and a new way of discerning the context of much of what John was shown. If not, I'll see you there anyway in spite of our understanding. :) The biggest difference in my eschatology is that I don't use the early church's change of the...

Hi Dave L, I recognize that this was not a reply to me alone, but would like to begin discourse on the subject. I'm rather certain you've read the following scripture, but I submit them to verify that us in Christ will be caught up to be with Jesus at some time. It has become known as a rapture...

Agreed, but don't you think the spiritual body will be visable, and that when John is describing those he sees about Jesus' throne (Rev 4:2), in Rev 4:4 & Rev 4:6, and others before the throne (Rev 7:9) come out of great tribulation (Rev 7:14). I ask this because I really don't know what a...

Good morning Vexatious, and thanks for your reply. You seem to have definite ideas as to the manner of the resurrection, and I suppose I agree with your description of pretribers that any saints described in heaven were in fact caught up to meet our Lord in the air. I'm not sure how they'll be...

Would any believers already in heaven when John received the book of Revelation be considered pre-trib? Thanks.

All unrighteousness is sin. 1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. Why would a person need to repent of something they'll never do as one born of God? 1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not. Do you believe somehow that a person isn't...

Have you sinned since coming to Christ? Do you feel that you were lost at that moment? What of sin no more? Were you no longer born of God? because 1 Jn 5:18 says "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not . . How do you interpret the following scripture? Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law...

Evening here dear Brother Phoneman777. There is probably more that we agree on than of that we don't. There is profit in obedience to God, but to me the law absolutely shows us our very lack of ability to keep it. Like the tree not to be taken of in Eden, knowledge of good and evil only kills...

Used properly as they were intended, the law is of great benefit. If you think keeping a day for instance gives, or keeps life I think you're wrong. Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. First we need to realize that...

Hi Phoneman777, and thanks for your reply. I reckon what I see in your testimony is something similar to SDA, or possibly Herbert W. Armstrong Radio Church of God ministries. I've talked with both over the years, and mostly in disagreement with their doctrines, but I've never went to the point...

Good morning Brother Phoneman777. 2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, . . . Gal 3:21 . . . if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. I also read in Rom 13:1-2 referring to the laws and...

Hi Miss Hepburn, if I’m understanding your use of testing, there is an interesting example of testing, or judging in 1 Cor 5:9-13. At this present time Jesus spent time with those of the world, but told us to not entertain brethren living in sin. 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them...

Hi Brother Enoch111 and thanks for the opportunity to discuss this. I near give up on forums with no input. I have never found corroboration, or substanitiation for the early church fathers assigning the term "The Lord's Day" to be Sunday. What I see is the fact that John describes the three...