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I guess the Last Chance Saloon is open a tad bit longer! Your 2 Thessalonians 1:8 refers to LATER, not @ the INITIAL point of being saved. FYI ... obeying the Gospel is MM (mucho more) than merely believing! The Last Chance Saloon is now officially closed. .

You should try the Pentecostal Oneness site. No Trinity ... they reject the John 1 verses ... and all the others also! .

Look, she's in her 70's ... please give her a break! You think you have problems ... on another forum, she got confused and called me a liar. .

IMO, there is ONLY ONE confusing NT passage regarding ... BACs who are baptized with the Holy Spirit ...vs... BACs who are not. Mark 16: 15 Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be...

AMEN, brother! .

All this just goes to show that you simply do not understand any of the MANY dire warnings in the NT (and the Gospels)! Wake Up! .

Yes, by believing the Scriptures ... At the moment you were born-again … you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time! “For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins. Therefore...

If you mean to doubt the existence of God, and that He loves me ... I vote a great big "NO!" ... For me, NO doubting whatsoever, whatever might come my way! However, I have known a BAC who was very upset with God for some time! .

NO! ... multitudes throughout history have stood their ground and insisted that it is their faith that will save them, i.e. OSAS. Their faith did NOT result in righteous behavior (no need for it). .

They stand for *****, i.e. 5 stars. .

Yes, but I suppose that God could make exceptions. .

2 dots are usually better than one, I guess. Not sure ... too deep for me. .

"Okay ...", as Clark Gable used to say, "You got me!" This is worth ***** ... not mine, yours! .

Other examples of the baptism with the Holy Spirit ● “And when they had prayed … they (the companions of Peter and John) were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness” (Acts 4:31) ● “… the people of Samaria had accepted God’s message … As soon as they...

There are two basic fundamental Christian experiences: the most important is obviously salvation, and then next is the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Nothing can be done to earn either one! The 1st experience is when a person is baptized into the church, resulting in being “born again” (it...

Always hafta get your 2 cents in everywhere, don't ya. Even if it's only worth 1 cent. .

Gee, he was almost as messed up spiritually as some believers today! Messed up ... because Satan has deceived the churches ... who pass on the deceptions to the poor sheep. It's mere child's play for Satan ... to deceive the churches. Especially when some of its' leaders purposely go along with...

"Those who are led by God's Spirit are sons of God." (Romans 8:14) .

Yes, of course He did ... for all BACs! But, all BACs have the free will to habitually sin, if they so choose. BACs (even Spirit-filled ones) are not robots. Being filled with the Spirit does not guarantee that a person will not habitually sin, but it should, obviously. Please do not make...

The New Testament words “belief” and “faith” are very inadequate! Because of what the whole NT teaches, it is readily apparent that ONE word is completely insufficient to describe what “belief” and “faith” really mean! We know that a mere intellectual belief in Jesus and the gospel will not...