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Circular reasoning at its finest! " God wants to save everyone, but he doesn't really know what he wants apparently, because he refuses to enlighten most." What a crock.

Calvinists contradicting themselves again! God died for all but not really. Calvinists: " God died for everyone, but not really. " " He wants everyone to be saved but he doesn't let most get saved.' Your god is schizophrenic.

Lol, that's what you all keep saying but you never explain what I don't understand.

You claim to be Calvinist but don't believe in calvins theology. In his doctrine God ordained everything. Murder, rape, every sin ever.

No it's not. Why would it be different? People have always been saved by faith. Most Jews refused God, and God said he did everything he needed to do for them.

There's lots of warnings that we can fall into false teaching and unbelief. If OSAS was correct those would not be in the Bible.

How can you be either if you aren't saved?

Because not everyone accepts the free gift of salvation.

That is a strange conclusion. Actually lots of people would say that OSAS is easy believism. If you can't lose your salvation no matter what why try not to sin? Unbelief is what causes you to lose your salvation. It's the only sin that can't be forgiven. We are saved by faith and only losing...

I don't understand the question. Why would sin not matter if OSAS if false? You don't get saved over and over every day. You are saved unless you deliberately walk away from faith.

Well bare assertions aren't very convincing.

Wesley understood Calvinism well. It's why he so strongly opposed it.

If I walk away from God he didn't fail. He did everything necessary for my salvation. Just as he did for Israel. God said: "What more could have been done for my vineyard than I have done for it? When I looked for good grapes, why did it yield only bad? Now I will tell you what I am going to do...

No it's not. Because in Calvinists theology God ordained thier failures. There's nothing that happens in your Calvinist world that God isn't ok with, nothing he didn't ultimately cause himself.

You don't know your own theology. Calvinism is a form of fatalism. God decreed everything in Calvinists theology. Everything happens because of his decree. If I kill you it's because God decided I would. It's ultimately not my decision at all. Calvinism is a belief in meticulious divine...

All of the saints failed in some ways. Do you believe God ordained David's adultery for example?

I think you really miss God's point in Job. God was showing Job he was not capable of understanding how God operates. Actually the book of Job shows us that spiritual warfare is a reality. Calvinism, on the other hand, claims God does everything, so there's no war, only God playing a game with...

They certainly can, God reveals himself to all.

I have offered verses. Perhaps you missed them. The biggest issue is that limited atonement just isn't biblical. You want verses? Fine. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing...

You know Job was wrong about a lot of things right?