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Why do you ask, if the Rapture is being glorified, so is being resurrected (old testament and tribulation saints) when Jesus returns. Did you think it was only one event where people get resurrected? (glorified)

The tribulation saints and old testament saints are raised when He returns. We are raised, as far as I can tell, before the wrath, not after it. You seem to conflate events.

Why do you say that? The people who distress His people will get dealt with when Jesus returns. Nothing to do with the Rapture

No. Not every one. I don't care too much what anyone says unless the bible says so too. The prophets told us plenty. Jesus as well. The writers He used for the new testament etc. So if you have some claim on the timing of the Rapture or something you will need to pony up

Who cares what they said? Was it mentioned? By who? If we are not appointed to wrath and the tribulation is part of His wrath, then how would we be there?

There are different times that believers live in. Those after Jesus get Raptured. Apparently the old testament believers and trib saints get raptured when Jesus returns. Not all believers from past and future are in that event Too bad the Rapture is for specific believers in a specific time...

Not as far as the Rapture goes. That is for the dead IN Christ and living believers.

Where is it not?

Where isn't it? Your so called proofs went poof. Apparently one of your lines of reason was that the church was not raptured because you want to call all believers of all ages the church. Not very sound. When asked about who the dead IN Christ were, I do not recall any clear answer from you?

My last post quoted Daniel actually. One should know what the time of trouble is. For any who are a little lost, Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never...

I bring to your attention to the fact that there was no such thing. No verse you posted even deals with the rapture of the dead in Christ etc. Face it. I agree with this " That leads to the next question: What about the Old Testament saints? When will they be physically resurrected? We find...

And well they should. That does not mean they are the dead in Christ though. Yes people were saved by believing He would come one day. That does not mean they are the dead in Christ. https://www.neverthirsty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/revelation-resurrections.png I might even consider...

So only the 'new testament' as you call it, believers in Jesus (alive and dead) are in the Rapture. Simple

As far as applying that to the future. The assemblies of various ages are not all those who are in Christ. If the word church to you means believers in Jesus, then obviously the Jews in the desert were not the church. If church just means (as it is meant to here) believers in God, then fine. If...

You clearly do not know what you are talking about and do not understand the verses you spam here.

That applies to the future. The Rapture is more immediate. In other words the believers in Jesus dead and alive (commonly called the church) will go up in the air together. Then, if those of us who think we do not have an appointment with the wrath of God on earth are right, untold millions of...

Point? The called out ones are actually people God called out. The thief on the cross was called out. He never 'congregated in public' I think being His saved sheep and called out is a clear and simple thing. The people that got saved after Jesus came are the called out ones we usually call...

Spamming a bunch of verses with no church mentioned and inserting the word church willy nilly is actually not refuting anything. As for the Rapture, the thread here is about your supposed proof that a pre wrath Rapture 'contradicts scripture'. It is you that have well and truly failed here so...

Well you pointed to a group from a heaven scene that you said must be the church. There is no overt timing for the resurrection of the believers that I noticed in Revelation. Either way, for a pre wrath or not. That neuters any possible point you have. The believers are on earth in that time...

Not so much as mentioned actually No, you inject that meaning. Nothing like that is in the bible Believers are saints in the church. They were saints before the church existed and there will be saints after we're gone You made that up. No mention of church there in reality And so will the...