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Not true. If He was pleased by faith and faith alone Scripture would only say "have faith in me and you will be saved". That would make for a VERY SHORT BIBLE. There are MANY MANY more passages that tells us what we MUST do to be saved. Keeping it real....Mary

You dodged the question. That question was based on what YOU said: What about these "truths": Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.... the one who eats this bread will live forever Baptism.....now saves you, Are they salvific and how do you put them into practice?

Hmmm....So Scripture says baptism SAVES you....but baptism isn't salvific????????????? Abiding in Jesus and Jesus abiding IN us is not salvific?????? salvific defined: having the intent or power to save or redeem abiding defined: enduring

Well, I don't know what you mean by "all truth". I think we will agree that we will never know the truth of how the universe was created or atoms, protons etc. I think He meant the "truth" he was teaching us; His words are the Truth. Your "essentials list are pretty easy salvific doctrines for...

All very good truths Michiah...thank you. What about these "truths": Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.... the one who eats this bread will live forever Baptism.....now saves you, Are they salvific and how do you put them into practice?

hey Christophany, How does your theory that Protestant denominations and The Catholic Church teach some truth and error square with what Jesus said in John 8:32? Do you have a list of "essential truths that are salvific in nature" of which "we must believe to be saved"? Thanks for...

That doesn't answer my original quesiton. So, based on your non-answer, I will ask again in a different way: Do you believe that the Waldenses was the remnant/minority/hidden church that Jesus started?

I apologize. You never called the church "invisible". What you said was the true church was a remnant (small), always in the minority (smallest part of a group), Hidden away (can't be found) in the wilderness. I interpreted that as being invisible, but you never said they were invisible.

I get the gist of what you are saying but even in the "biblical era" The Church had issues with false prophets and division when the Apostles were alive. That is the purpose of some of the letters in the NT, to address that division amongst the faithful. Around the year 107AD, just a few short...

Scripture was written TO all of us: Obey those who [a]rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you. That passage clearly states that you are to submit to a...

Soooo the Waldenses were this “invisible” church you speak of with bishops and overseers? Curious Mary

Lol….OK!!! That means you are not familiar with the NT passages that talk about the men that rule over your spiritual life and that we are to obey them… thank you for your time

Ok….They weren’t invisible. That means they left some trace of their existence. Based on your theory I will accept your version of Christian history. With that said: Can you share any of the historical writings from these “mission focused“ “bishops/overseers“?

I agree…..You have no authority. You dodged the question about finding a single passage in the NT that says that other men, men of The Church, ruling over you…..

This invisible church theory that you you teach; When and how did they decide what letters were to be in our NT Scripture? Curious Mary

Hey Matthew, So is it fair to say that you place your faith in YOU and YOUR authority when it comes to how one obtains salvation? You can’t find a single passage in the NT that says that other men, men of The Church, rule over you? Unstable men twisting Scripture? Mary

Ummm….Your response makes no sense. Not sure how astronauts and taxi drivers have anything to do with bishops spoken of in the Bible; but i guess YOU have made that connection. Have you ever talked to a Protestant that has left their denomination? Soooooo what’s your point? According to YOU...

You imagine incorrectly kiddo. There was no truth in your statement. The leaders of the churches (what you call congregations) were not "like a Bishop". They were bishops.....Just like scripture calls them. Now I know you want to play this word game that they can't be called "bishop" because...

You crack me up Grailhunter....

Oh goodness Grailhunter......Ok.....soooo according to you we can't call the men that were the overseers of churches "bishops" until the English language comes into play over 1,000 years later.....soooooo we can't call them "bishops" even though a "bishop" and an "overseer" are THE SAME...