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And just who is doing that? I've not read every post in this enormous thread, but I haven't seen it. Why don't you define what you think the Gospel is? Then we can see how Calvinism (as opposed to the wretched caricatures of it posted by some) stacks up.

Oh boy! So now Calvinists are racists and KKK. can't you fit child-molesters and rapists in there somewhere?

Amen! We are in total agreement at this point. This sounds great, but it doesn't actually work, either for the Trinity or for P.S. For example, when I read, 'He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities.........,' that to me is Penal Substitution, end of story...

Yes, it's sitting on my bookcase, though it's a long time since I read it. He is very sound, but not easy reading.

Yep! There's no accounting for the foolishness of some people. There are even those who believe that the Bible doesn't teach Penal Substitution. can you believe it? ;)

Where exactly is your admission that you misspoke? It's not in your post #1740; that just contains more snidies. You really can't stop, can you? Yep! Just like that. :) There's quite a bit on the subject in his Against Faustus. He was inconsistent in some of his comments, but, hey, none of...

I think Rita was closest. :) The lawyer did not see himself as a sinner; he was 'testing' our Lord. So the Lord Jesus referred him to the law. And the guy replied, quite correctly, "you shall love the Lord your God with all you heart, with all your soul, with all your strength and with all...

Augustine did affirm the Doctrine of Penal Substitution. Details on request. But also P.S. is not necessarily a part of Calvinism.

I should stop digging your pit if I were you. Reformed Baptist churches are Reformed churches that practise Believers' Baptism. That is all you need to know. Many Presbyterian churches are not Reformed or Calvinistic at all.

I have looked, and I can't find where I did that. I called you 'wrong,' and of course you are. 'Calvinism' is far older than Calvin. '"You did not choose Me," Christ says, "but I chose you." Such grace is beyond description. What were we, apart from Christ's choice of us, when we were empty...

Oh boy! You really can't stop making snide, false statements, can you? What on earth is the point of trying to be pleasant to you when you come out with this sort of stuff. Presbyterian churches have presbyteries; the clue is in the name. How many Baptist churches do you know that have...

John, If peace is going to break out, you need to stop misrepresenting your brothers in Christ. If you are going to accuse them of gross error, you need to quote them in the post. And a woodenly literal hermeneutic is the hermeneutic of the Pharisees (John 3:4; 6:52). What is needed is a...

I am asking you to address the texts. If you can do so without being snide and insulting, and telling me what I believe when you know sweet nothing about me, that will be great. I am not here to get in great running battles and insults, but to discuss the Scriptures. If there are no insults...

'Learn ye, my friends to look upon God as being as severe in His justice as if He were not loving, and yet as loving as if He were not severe. His love does not diminish His justice, nor does His justice, in the least degree, make warfare on His love. The two are sweetly linked together in the...

I don't think you'll find you did. Well at least we can agree with that. :) If you mean that I found the Doctrines of Grace through my study of the Bible, then you are quite correct. We've been through this silly game before. You know perfectly well that you cannot find a single text...

John 8:36. 'Therefore if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.' If you actually want to know what Calvinism is, and can ask in a civilized manner, I'm sure someone will tell you. But it will probably require a new thread. The mods should have closed this one ages ago.

I don't think you'll find you did. I do not add to Scripture, and you have not shown that I have. As for my 'traditions;' they are agnosticism for more than half my life followed by broad evangelical Arminianism. If you can find those traditions in my posts, good luck to you.

I can well believe it.

Well your departing from the truths of Calvinism has not made you any more gracious, only more snide.