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The difference is, I put away my sledgehammer and quit beating things into place. For instance, your claim that the seventh seal does not contain the trumpets are a perfect example of this. Even though it says that the 7th seal is opened, and the 7 angels are getting ready to sound the...

Your doctrine determines what you think the Word says. I read the word and that is my doctrine. The alive that remain are caught up together WITH THOSE IN THE CLOUDS. Why do you find it necessary to change what is written. The Lord Himself comes for His bride in 1 Thes 4. He sends His angels...

Isaiah 61 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Oh. I forgot. For some the wrath of God is 30 minutes of silence....................in heaven. The seals happen in order. Only the 7th seal has anything to do with the trumpets and vials....................Just like the Word of God says. The seventh seal is opened......................and 7...

They are caught up together...........with them in the clouds. 1 Thes 4 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

It's right there for you to read. Nothing I have said disagrees with what is written. You just don't agree because it's been interpreted the same way since whenever. Most think that 1Thes 4:16-17 and 1 Cor 15:51-52 are talking about the same thing. And that is what is taught. They are not the...

I'm also probably one of the few that believes in two raptures. The reason I believe the alive remain until the Lord returns for them is that's what it says. Which lines up with the barley and wheat harvests.

My error. I did not realize that you understood that the great tribulation is not the wrath of God. So my comments were based on me thinking that you believed the great tribulation and the wrath of God were the same thing. So what I said needs to be tossed in the trash. Here's the problem for...

The dead in Christ rise first. This is the barley harvest. 24 elders in heaven. The alive remain on the earth. The Lord returns for the alive that remained. This is the wheat harvest. He brings the dead in Christ with Him.

Revelation 8 1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there...

The seventh seal contains 7 trumpets and 7 vials. You seem to think that the 7th seal contains only the 7th trumpet and 7th vial Do you think the seals are already open? I will address the rest of your post later.

He will bring the dead with Him as they rise first. The alive will not prevent them which are asleep. The alive remain. All facts of scripture. The feasts of God are proof that these events do not happen at the same time.

LOL. Still worried about the DNA. SMH I think God knows who is who

I do not think that it is immediate because of the harvests relating to feasts of God. They are a shadow of what is to come. Then can also mean after that; next; afterwards.

1 Thessalonians 4 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. The Lord brings the dead, which have already risen, with him when He comes for the alive that remain. The dead are in...

Right Jesus holds the sickle....... and sends His angels to gather the elect, just as Matthew 24 says. Revelation 14:14 is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. It occurs at the 6th seal. It is a harvest. Yes, the elect Jews are gathered from the earth............immediately after the tribulation...

I don't believe after the dead in Christ rise that it will be immediately followed by the alive in Christ. The alive remain. The dead in Christ go to heaven. The dead Christ rise first. This is the barley harvest. Celebrated on the Feast of Pentecost. Barley and wheat cakes are presented by the...

I thought this might be what you were referring to. I poked around before I asked the question. I read this different than you (imagine that, LOL) 1 Thessalonians 4 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not...

Do you have the scripture on that?

This is not correct. The harvest occurs at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal. 1 Thes 5 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, What you are saying DOES NOT agree with the scripture. You say, right after we are caught up in the...