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It's YOU insisting that your denomination has 100% doctrinal or hierarchical agreement, it's YOUR claim (not mine) you just refuse to say what other churches it's in this unity with. Why do you refuse? Because there are NONE. It has NO fully doctrinal or hierarchical agreement with ANY but it...

Again, you entirely evaded what has been posted to you.... You brought up John 6 to support the new Eucharistic Dogma of your denomination (without even attempted to show that's the topic of the chapter). But even accepting that it is, there's NOTHING in John 6 that REMOTELY supports...

I'd not claim a "contradiction" but there is a different dogma. IF John 6 is about the Eucharist (and you've not proven that Jesus is speaking of something that wouldn't exist for years), then John 6 supports Real Presence (Position #1) and clearly NOT Transubstantiation (Position #2) - the...

... and at least as much is also true of every other denomination. So the old, worn "spin" is pretty meaningless. Absurd that some try to turn this into some "pic'n on us pur Catholics" .... It's not an "anti-Catholic" point AT ALL (especially since I freely admitted it's often true of...

What is "asinine" is your perpetual parroting of the claim that the RCC has all this grand unity (but never is it stated WITH WHAT?). The claim you parrot is wrong and (and to use your word) asinine.

It's YOU insisting that it has 100% doctrinal or hierarchical agreement, it's YOUR claim (not mine) you just refuse to say what other churches it's in this unity with. Why do you refuse? Because there are NONE. It has NO fully doctrinal or hierarchical agreement with ANY but it itself alone...

The Catholic Church is in exactly the same reality. It has NO other church in which it is in 100% doctrinal or hierarchical agreeement. I realize you are just parroting a old, old, tired and obviously WRONG talking point of some Catholics.... but you are just shooting yourself in the foot as...

So much for your LOUD insistence that I am on your Ignore list.... But yes, you defined a denomination as a set of congregations with the SAME corpus of doctrines. Since the RCC owned and operated parishes (according to you) have the SAME corpus of doctrines, according to you - it's a...

Since your (very odd) definition of a "denomination" is a inter-congregational organization with a common set of doctrines, then you insist the RCC is a denomination - one with unity with NONE but with it itself uniquely. There goes your whole silly point about the RCC somehow being...

I don't think so. The dogma is pretty much all about how "is" doesn't mean "is" but rather "changed" (and that via a very specific kind of change, "transubstantiation" a very, very technical word from alchemy). And the dogma includes the idea that what "is" after the Consecration isn't fully...

An excellent affirmation of position #1 (Real Presence) and seems to reveal the weakness of position #2 (Transubstantiation) and #3 (Symbolism). Thanks for the information - Josiah

We are to speak the TRUTH but always with LOVE. They are inseparable. "tolerating" or empowering falsehood is not being loving. But being hateful for the sake of truth is not loving. A LOT of it has to do with attitude and purpose. Is my purpose to "win"? To prove myself better/smarter...

Wrong. epostle1, that's just obviously wrong. Now you are changing your claim to an even more baseless one.... now you are claiming that it's not The Catholic Church that has some unity with any but itself.... but that all 1.2 Catholic PEOPLE all are in full unity with all others. How...

SURE, the RC denomination agrees with IT ITSELF ALONE. How does that show it has unity with any BUT it itself alone? I can't think of any other denomination on the planet that doesn't agree with it itself alone (at least in the very, very limited sense that the RCC also does), but it is in...

Thank you for those powerful affirmations of position #1 (Real Presence) and for showing the weakness of position #2 (Transubstantiation) and # 3 (Symbol). I agree with you: the verb is "IS" not "changed from one reality to a foreign one via the specific mechanism of a transubstantiation...

You speak of all this "unity" that the RC denomination has..... I simply asked "with what? WHAT other denominations is it in full unity?" But you haven't answered, you just keep going on and on about this "unity" it has. I don't deny that OFFICIALLY, CURRENTLY, DENOMINATIONALLY, the RC...

epostle1, No. "Am" is the verb "is." Is it not the verb "changed via the specific process of Transubstantiation from one reality to an entirely different one." "I AM" is grammatically the same as "He IS" not "he was one thing but a specific type of change happened and that first...

Hi, Mary IMO, John 6 could be seen as a GREAT affirmation of position #1 (Real Presence) - and would seem to undermine both positions #2 (Transubstantiation) and # 3 (Metaphoric/symbolic). My "problem" with that (and why I didn't use it in the OP) is that it is not clearly about the topic...

If the Catholic Church is in full doctrinal agreement with OTHER denominations, please list them. The OTHER (non-Catholic) ones that accept the exact same 2,865 points of the 1994 Official Catechism - nothing more, nothing less, nothing different. Deominations with bishops who are in no way...

Hi Philip James I think there are those who desire to hold to BOTH #1 and #2 (both Real Presence AND Transubstantiation). I agree with you, theoretically, this is possible (I've met those who so attempt) but in practice, #2 always replaces #1 (as in the CCC). Here are MY problems with #2...