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According to Paul, salvation takes place the very moment we believe. This is when Rom. 6 takes place. Eph. 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

We agree that water never saved anyone. Where is we disagree is the moment of salvation, the exact point it takes place.

You not find contact with the Blood of Christ in water baptism anywhere in Scripture. That is an incorrect assumption by the water baptizers.

Well, you've hit on the problem! Before the Pentecostals came along with the title "baptized with the Holy Spirit," that term was considered by the theologians to be what Paul explained in Rom. 6. It is the spiritual baptism that takes place at believing in Christ. Now so many are confused and...

Is it the Blood of Christ that cleanses sin or the ritual of water baptism? It's one or the other. Paul gives us the purpose of water baptism. If you get this wrong, you have some serious problems. When Paul said, "don't you know that we who are baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into...

I can understand how Finelinen got into this mess, but you, I've been wondering for years.

The draw of God comes through the hearing of the Gospel. The Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, according to Paul. When the Gospel is heard the Holy Spirit makes that Gospel real in the heart. Some will be drawn to Christ but most will not. That is the choice of the...

The same One who created man is also the creator of free will. The entire Gospel is based on free will. As it regards salvation of man, free will is nothing more than God allowing man to reject His plan for mankind, if he desires to do so. God allows man to choose his own way in this life. Man...

Yes, we've met before on Citi Data. I remember you well. Don't have time for this.

You have to learn how to add and subtract before I can teach you algebra. But first you have to be willing, that is the problem.

Yes, your attachment is correct. Does not the Scripture say that Christ emptied Himself, and made Himself of no reputation? That was from stepping outside His glory into another realm, the realm of humanity. Your in above your head Romanov.

Have I met you before on Citi Data Forum? Your speech is familiar.

LOL! He stepped outside the glory of God in His humanity. I don't expect you to understand that! The Scripture says that no man has ever seen God, but yet Jacob wrestled with God. The truth is, no man has ever seen God in all His Glory, mans flesh would evaporate in that presence. The same...

I've never met an atheist that could understand the Scripture, in fact, the Scripture says that unbelievers can't. Christ is God, but stepped outside the glory of being God in His humanity, while still being God. God became a man, and in that fashion God was able to die. And even then it was...

I agree with almost everything you said, except that man under law could stop sinning. Neither can we under Grace stop sinning. Christ made the true Law known when He came. He explained and gave example of the depth of the Law. I'm sure you remember that adultery, as explained by Christ, was...

It seems that the Father is very serious on what His Son endured on the Cross for mankind, and very serious about what man will do about it. It also seems that you, Steven, are not in sync with the Father on the seriousness of what He has provided for us!

Not all of us have that correct interpretation of Scripture. Let me say up front, I know I'm not right about everything concerning Scripture. But I have enough examples in Scripture to see that God does not always get His way concerning man. I can also see that the Scripture presents a...

Your statements are not incorrect in light of Scripture, they are incorrect in your perception of the Scripture. The free will of man, which God will not deny man, can and does grieve God. God does not get His way with all men.

LOL, Steven! My friend, if man has free will then several of your statements are incorrect. The bottom line: man controls his own destiny.

If physically keeping the Law were the criteria for salvation then Christ need not go to the Cross. The Law was the "schoolmaster" that pointed to Christ. Man was to realize that he could not keep the Law of his own ability. But in order to be righteous in the sight of God, that Law must be...