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  1. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    You may have taken it as a personal attack…I suppose that’s entirely up to you. However, I would suggest that questioning what and why on earth you would respond as you did was a valid line of reasoning…even if you don’t agree. When a person seems to purposely side-step the clear intent of a...
  2. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I didn’t take it as a personal attack. I simply found it utterly baffling that you would take a small post of mine, which had a very simple idea, and then launch into a massive post on terminology and mistaken labelling…. As you’ve done again. I’m sorry, but I have no desire to get into...
  3. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I follow the rule that scripture interprets scripture. Which means I take all the texts that speak about salvation, and see where it points me. I have no Dispensational beliefs that would allow or excuse me to assign “different rules to different times”. Thus, I read Matt 25 as supporting what...
  4. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Well. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Because you may not think you are assuming things, but how you’re reading the texts demands certain things…certain assumptions and implications. But…i suppose time will be the great revealer.
  5. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The problem here is: simply taking Matt 25 “at face value”…means salvation comes through works. As you’ve previously claimed. Taking other passages that speak about salvation through faith, at face value, means salvation comes (unsurprisingly) through faith. You COULD use James to harmonise...
  6. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    So…. Explain to me again how you read Matt 25 in the light of “after the cross”…?
  7. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I….do not wish to claim you said or meant what you did not say or mean. However, I’m finding some of the things you say to be…contradicting. Which I suppose is slightly funny, given our topic of conversation. Let me try and explain and show these things that have left me confused on where you...
  8. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I do understand what you are saying…but I’m not sure you get me. Just assume, for a moment, that when you read Matt 25, it is happening simply at the end of this world. There is no new ‘dispensation’ or time on earth after the Rapture. Assume for a moment that the Rapture happens at the END of...
  9. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Hmm. Let me try and illustrate with another example. Take the Trinity. Is there a passage anywhere in scripture that tells us outright that our God is one God in three persons? No. What are some passages that we might take “at face value” about God? Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD...
  10. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Ok. I’m a little confused. You seem to see the verses in James, in #940, as meaning that this is HOW we show OTHERS our faith. (I would argue that while this is a true outworking of the point James presents, it’s not his true point. His true point is that we need to know…ourselves…that works...
  11. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I think you are rather missing my point and forging ahead with a form of nit-picking. If we look at the disciples during Jesus’ earthly ministry, then we can say that while they may have had ideas or beliefs in who Christ was or what his ultimate mission was, they fundamentally lacked...
  12. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I’m confused. How can someone be “a believer” but not have given their life to God? I suppose there could be a group of people (as in the parable of the sower) who have heard the gospel and fundamentally “believe”..or understand it, but have not embraced it. But by and large that is not what is...
  13. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Actually. We will. IF the pre-trib rapture is true, there is nothing in scripture that tells us only “Eschatological system correct Christians” will be taken.
  14. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Okay. Here is my new strategy with you. Every time you post some wild, imaginative, unfounded idea or opinion WITHOUT having done the work to show FROM SCRIPTURE that you might…just maybe…have a case to argue from, I’m just gonna ignore you. I got no time for someone who thinks their opinion is...
  15. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    You know. I think if I were you, I’d be embarrassed at this point. Let’s work through this. Because I happen to be arguing for a literal reading of Genesis, I’ve embraced Satan’s deception of “science”. I’m also suggesting that when Genesis tells us God created the sun, moon and stars…he...
  16. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Either way…
  17. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I disagree. They are all speaking about salvation. And not once is salvation linked to what others might see us do. Salvation is only linked to God. At best, we can say that others can judge our salvational status based upon what they see us do. But again…a person is, at that point, already...
  18. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    So…I’m trying to understand this. When you read a passage saying that “salvation is through faith alone”…. And then you also read another passage saying “salvation comes through works”… You harmonise them by retreating to a doctrine argued by men? Rather than seeking the answer in scripture...
  19. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The scripture never says we must justify ourselves to men. And the text in question is speaking of the event where Abraham offered up his son on the alter….an event clearly required by, and in direct response to…God. Not men.
  20. Naomi25

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I have a question. Do you run ANY of your ideas past scripture? Or do you just happen upon them and think they sound good in your head? Ezekiel 18:23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? Ezekiel 33:11...