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Why would you make up your own rules about this? So many people have been listening to hot shot preachers that try to explain away the seriousness of this blasphemy. These are likely the same preachers that teach OSAS or easy feel good religion. Sugar coat Christianity and they will come. I...

That is 100% untrue. I don't recall Jesus making any such stipulation, it was completly made up. I'd ask that the poster who makes that claim to prove it, please? Completely, and clearly made up. The blasphemy is not towards Jesus, it is against the Holy Spirit, so Jesus need not be present...

Nope, think I'll stick with Born Again in that case.

Is there a differsnce beetween that and being born again? If not, sounds good to me.

I simply asked you to back up your claim, but if instead you prefere to find a way to evade the question, I can only assume you cannot back it up. Best not to make claims you are unable to prove, it's not good for ones credibility.

No, doesnt help at all, lol. As a matter of fact, that was so far from an answer, I'm now thinking you dont know what the question is, so here it is again, and it really is a simple, and fair request.

Aww, for a moment there, I thought you were going to answer. :) And I really told you, and since yiu feel there are different answers, choose one. Where do you begin salvation?

Are you really asking me that? The "start" is where something begins, or the beginning.

There ya go, put the blame on me...whatever it takes, eh? Again, thanks just the same.

Another cop out. Why so dishonest, did anyone ask or even expect you to repeat anything? But since you are clearly afraid to answer the question, I supose that's as good an excuse as any. And of course you wouldn't want to answer it, and we all know why. Thanks just the same

Read my edited post again and answer the questions please.

Exactly, we live in him at first, then we stop, begin to live in sin, and fall away. Simple. Tell me what they fell away from in the following scripture? Mathew 13:20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have...

Get to the point, man....would anyone here read all that just to get a simple answer.

No biggie.:)

And those that had fruit from the start?

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Why can it not be undone? You forgot to explain that, or you simply could not. Who didn't see that coming, another common means to decieve the unaware, that once taken apart and observed more closely, falls apart. No, a physical birth cannot be undone, but we are not talking about a physical...

It was a simple question, yet note, folks...still no answer, just long winded talking around an answer.

Why are you not telling the truth. You never did back up your claim about people here claiming works only salvation. That is a cop out, which is in turn, you not telling the truth. Also you skipped around my questions, something I don't even need to comment on because all readers have seen...

I can have it just the way it is supposed to be, foor those who evidently want to be allowd to sin and still make heaven, act how you like. James 2:14-18 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is...