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So…you really believe that beyond the letters to the churches, the rest of the book had no meaning to those it was sent to? What do you suppose they made of that? Was there an addendum attached we didn’t get to see that told them the rest of the ‘book’ was future generations and they were to...

You know…I feel exactly the same way! I think the argument FOR the angelic sin is strong, but goodness, I’m not going to get upset over it, nor claim I have to be right over it. It changes nothing essential, like salvation. Personally, I find it answers some interesting, and tricky, passages and...

I suppose if you were going to read only this passage in a vacuum…and then only focus on the parts that specifically mention humans…then…yes. Yes we could conclude the context is humans. Let’s just look first, at this passage: Jude 1:6-7 [6] And the angels who did not stay within their own...

What’s life without a little sarcasm, huh? I probably tend to use it too much, but I suppose we all have our flaws. Agreed. And, I would add…that there must be at least some sort of importance for the rest of the book FOR the audience of those 7 letters, do you not think? That John (or Jesus)...

Ok…so, here’s my beef. People like me get accused of ‘over symbolising’ Revelation ALL the time. People like you do most of that criticising. However…when you do the symbolising, it’s just normal, obvious symbolising. Yeah? Except…I’m not sure that I see anything other than the ‘normal’ ones...

Hi, thanks for your reply. I believe this passage is widely misunderstood. I’ll be quoting heavily from Michael Heiser in my reply, as his work has shaped my understanding here. From what I understand, most people look at this passage in John and think Jesus is basically saying: “God is calling...

I’m sorry, but that simply doesn’t hold its own weight. Were people getting married then? I would absolutely assume so, that was the mandate from the garden “go forth and multiply”. But that does not mean…ERGO and SO FORTH, that Gen 6:2 MUST and ONLY be speaking of humans marrying humans...

Forgive me…I can’t quite help myself jumping in at this point, even though some excellent ideas have been put forth by all parties… Did you not just finish criticising Amillennialists for “assigning symbolism” to much of Revelation (and I would personally hesitate at your usage of “much”), and...

I think, should we choose to start slinging ‘eisegesis’ about, we could see that aplenty in this conversation. The texts in question do not, unfortunately, give much detail. I think the things left to us are other biblical uses of the terms, logic and historical references and extra-biblical...

& @Marty fox I disagree with the idea that the ‘sons of God’ are men from Seth’s line. The ideas that I present briefly here are fair too intricate to go into at length, but if you’re at all interested, please read Michael Heiser’s book “Unseen Realm”, it covers the topic fully with biblical...

Always prayer and meditation in scripture! I think….when it comes to things like eschatology…the different systems that men have put labels on to explain how they have read read it, I’m learning to enjoy asking ‘why’…and, as you say, meditating on that, rather than just leaping for one of those...

Forgive me…women are permitted to teach children, and every child ought to know that testing the spirits is well known and essential doctrine. I’m anguished that you clearly weren’t aware of this passage and thus this became a teaching moment. Perhaps you should leave this board and become...

As is your right. However, one wonders why you post if it’s not your goal to convince or persuade people. This board is full of people who, like you, are convinced that, under direct leading of the Spirit, they are presenting “truth”. As a Christian who takes Gods word as both true and...

Sir, I most certainly have not read all your posts, so you might indeed have done as you claimed in them. In your responses to me, however, I have not see anywhere near the sort of scriptural evidence or exegetical reasoning I would insist upon when making the sort of claims you do. The claims...

Look…I tend to agree with you that Revelation is not chronological. However…simply stating that it is, and anything else is both fantastical and in error…leaving your own, largely unsupported I might add, view as “presented truth”…is problematic. If you feel Dispensationalists are incorrect in...

Well…that seemed to strike a nerve. Dan 7:25; Dan 12:7,11; Rev 12:14 All reference a general 3.5 year period of time. Whether this refers to a single 3.5 years or several 3.5 years is up for theological debate, I suspect. Currently, it’s a debate that I care little for. And considering how you...

Again, I must say….mmm. You see, while I don’t, myself, agree precisely with Dispensationalists, neither do I believe we have exegetical reason to label them fairytales. The reason? If we took all the separate verses out of their respective passages in the OT that we know, now, to speak of...

Mmm…pattern…maybe? What’s really there, as opposed to people finding hidden meaning in texts that they’ve stitched together. There are cults aplenty that have found plenty of things from the pages of scripture that are just not there. People tend to see what they want to see. And what they want...

Well, sure…maybe. Except…those times when Preterists would point to a ‘literal’ event as a fulfilment…and Dispensationalists would say ‘no…a “true” literal fulfilment is pushing it off to some future event’. :rolleyes: Don’t get me wrong…I don’t agree with a lot of Preterists teachings…but you...