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  1. Naomi25

    Poll: Tattoo art - Christian perspectives: Fight it? Ignore it? appreciate/embrace it?

    Yes, we have been in winter, although we’ve just begun seeing some lovely Spring weather. As far as ‘opening up’…I despair that we ever will. We have ever tightening restrictions….tattoo parlours would be, I imagine, very low on the list of ‘essentials’ at the moment. So many people are...
  2. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Yeah. Sometimes its just a matter of context, I think. Sometimes it can be hard to follow because…well, the post is odd. But sometimes it can be hard to follow because I have no real context to place it in and therefore struggle to understand some of the statements therein. Which means…its more...
  3. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Well, on first blush, I’d have to say two things, I suppose. First…the difference between ‘spirit of antichrist’ and just a general reference to ‘many antichrist’…is not a lot. If a person HAS the spirit of antichrist, in large part, they ARE antichrist. They are just not THE antichrist, the one...
  4. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Ah. Forgive me. But…I am unsure what you are attempting to say here. Yes, clearly we are the body of Christ. Your point….thanks!
  5. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    I ‘quoted’ him as far as I referred to his previous comment…just as I did yours. But in my reply I quoted the passage from 1 John 2, referencing many direct words from that verse….it was to that I was referring. I’m not actually aware of how Preterists deal with 1 John 2, and if, as you say...
  6. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    I’m not a Preterist. And I didn’t say “spirit of antichrist”. All I said, was what John said. It THAT still apples and oranges? Or does the Apostle have weight?
  7. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Well, thank you…I always like to be able to claim whatever I like. And it’s always nice to be given permission to. The slightly hilarious thing here is…I have not been attempting to claim that Antiochus E WAS the future fulfilment of Daniel’s prophecy. Which I would have thought was obvious, as...
  8. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Prophetic foreshortening means Daniel would not have had to see 3 events. Not unless you also insist that the OT prophets had to have seen (and understood) that their Messiah was coming in two separate comings. The simple fact is that the Prophets didn’t always understand what they saw, and this...
  9. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    I’m….not sure anyone disagrees with you. But that was NOT what Farouk was saying, nor was that was John was saying…in part at least. You affectively took what Farouk and John said, pretty much didn’t even acknowledged that either had spoken, and then just pointed to something that…once again...
  10. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Well…apparently not ALL of us…. It is interesting, isn’t it, how people believe something so hard, that they just ignore what’s obviously clear? I mean, I do understand there being tension in some of the harder to interpret passages, because goodness, there are plenty of them…but that one? Not...
  11. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    o_O:rolleyes:….seriously…why do we not have a facepalm emoji? By your reasoning, we can’t say that Melchizedek was a prefigurement of Christ, because he died. Or that the Exodus was a prefigurement of how Jesus leads his people out of slavery…cause that happened way back when. The IDEA of...
  12. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Farouk need do nothing with the figures below. The passage in John clearly, and rather obviously at that, covers both: 1 John 2:18 Warning Concerning Antichrists [18] Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we...
  13. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Not sure you’re really getting what I’m saying. I actually DO think it will see a future fulfilment. The NT, especially Paul and John, point to that. I just think its also valid to say that it ALSO has multiple fulfilments. One past, one future. Both would have been future for Daniel…and he may...
  14. Naomi25

    Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

    I never said you said. I merely informed you that I was not, and that therefore I did not fit within their system and need to make their ‘numbers work’. I did point out that for me, above ‘system’ was being able to prove something biblically. And here’s the rub. For all that Dispensationalists...
  15. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    Antiochus E WAS a future event to Daniel. Clearly. I’m not saying Daniel’s prophecy only saw A.E…I’m saying the second temple Jews DID. We know the bible has foreshadowing events all throughout it. If you’re going to state that this cannot be another one, then I think the onus rests on you to...
  16. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    I think we only have to look at history…or the news…to realise this!
  17. Naomi25

    Matthew 24:2, The Temple Destruction Was Symbolic, Not Literal As PreterismTeaches

    I’m not sure I can agree with that, sorry. Matthew 24:15-22 [15] “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), [16] then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [17] Let the one who is on the...
  18. Naomi25

    Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

    I think there’s a little variance within partial Preterism, as there is in most systems. I think some p.p,s will be happy to look towards a future fulfilment, but still see 70AD… as indeed Antiochus E, as “foreshadowing” AOD EVENTS. Which is not an entirely unreasonable conclusion. Historically...
  19. Naomi25

    Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

    I’m not a Dispensationalist. Probably the other end of the spectrum, to be honest. But I dislike narrowing oneself into a system. What does the bible say? What can be proven FROM the bible? Where does other bible passages back it up? I don’t give a toss if you’re a Dispie or Partial...