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Here is a picture of hell just to be sure you understand what i am talking about And this place of hell is not the end of the line as some christians would have us believe. It is only a 'resting place' until people are brought out of the graves. And when death is no more then we wont see...

Its not a good point at all for the reason that jesus was not giving an account of an actual incident, he was telling a story in order to illustrate a point about spirituality. There was no literal rich man and lazarus...they were ficticous characters. The bible was truthfull when it said in...

Firstly, God does not use witches and demons to bring himself glory he uses righteousness, justice, power and love. and secondly, I agree that the laws given to mankind are for our benefit... so the laws to stay away from practicers of magic and divination and spirit mediums are also for our...

If God was really using the spirit medium, how can you say that Saul sinned by using her? Read verse 6 'honestly' before you assume that God was using a practice which he himself had condemned.

i have read that passage and im of the same opinion as truthquest...the scriptures he/she used are quite adequate to show that the demons certainly do have the power and the ability to fool humans.... although the apostles were not fooled by the demons because they knew Gods view on the matter...

no i most certainly didnt mean to 'bribe' God. The man in the illustration was not bribing anybody...he was 'making friends by means of unrighteous riches' Jesus told us to do that also with regard to God...make friends through a willingness to give back to him the things we possess. There is...

on the other hand

fivesense gave the scriptures regarding these 'secrets' so im sure he was not talking about 'modern gnostics' and their teachings.

Crickey! :blink: I would be taking my child out of that school immediately.

If the spirits of the dead really do exist, why would a loving God try to prevent us from keeping in contact with them? And why is the only way to contact 'them' thru a means that God condemns? Gods laws are for our protection...truthquests scriptures show clearly that divination is from...

Well one thing is for sure, we cannot have 'everlasting life' and be 'dead' at the same time. We get everlasting life thru the hope of the resurrection. Jesus not only showed us the reality of the resurrection when he raised people from the dead, but he also promised the time in the future...

right, so the breath of us is our spirit. Its as Job 27:3 puts it, "While my breath is yet whole within me, And the spirit of God is in my nostrils" We have spirit as long as we have breath. But considering Psalm 146:4 tells us that when our spirit goes out all our thoughts perish, what part...

ok, and what is the spirit?

you can tell me my logic is incorrect, but i'd much prefer you show me from the scriptures that my logic is incorrect. What is really being debated here is not 'theology' but rather what the scritpures mean and say about death. What happens to us when we die is the question....not what the...

then we have jesus sacrifice to have our sins forgiven. We will and do sin there is no doubt about that but Jesus 'pleads for us' if we pray to God for forgiveness on the basis of his sacrifice, Jesus acts as “a helper with the Father” as 1 John 2:1, 2 & Romans 8:34 clearly show.

no thats not what i'm asking I'll try and rephrase it better. If death was supposed to be the 'punishment' for sin, then we should logically conclude that Adam ceased to exist after he died....God said 'from dust you are and to dust you will return'. But if its true that mankind have a part of...

yet moses used the same hebrew word when he said that 'let the earth swarm forth a swarm of living 'souls' (nephesh). The animals were souls because the soul was the living creature whether it was human or animal. Gen 7:22 says that everying that had the breath of life expired when God made it...

ok fair enough, its not me who is going to convince you anyway. but can i just ask you how you explain Adams punishment for sin? For instance, if he was told that his punishment would be death, can it be said that death is really a punishment if the person continues to live?

'the house of Isreal' refers to the 'family of Isreal' or Jacob. Its not talking about the land of Isreal. It was in harmony with Jesus instructions that the apostles preached to the jews first at Matt 10:5-6 and this was in harmony with the prophecy at Isaiah 53:6 & Jeremiah 50:6 which...

This idea is from the pagan religions that were in opposition to the Isrealites and their God. What did the Isrealites consider the spirit and soul to be? Their understanding of spirit and soul are what define their belief and it certainly wasnt the same as what the false religions were...