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It seems they are prone to be discombobulated. In the real sense Israel was NEVER replaced, because Israel is Christ! The congregation bearing His name merely represents Him in His people. First the Jews, then the Gentiles. The honor of representation of His dominion was "taken" from that...

No, I didn't God did. Its in the Bible.

```````` Well, I have presented Scripture proof of my position. You refused to receive it and falsely accused me. So the Lord judges and I am comfortable with this.

This does not make 144,000 of Revelation 7 or 14 understood as a "literal" number. It is symbolic for all Jews and Gentiles in Christ, whether from the Old Testament or the New Testament.

Wrong.

Because you fail to study or even understand Scripture at this point. Go stand in the corner and read this verses carefully: Rev 21:9-17 (9) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will...

JW always had a false doctrine on 144,000 to begin with anyway. My doctrine has nothing to do with them. Suit yourself... You will be in denial on the other side of the great gulf while I am on Mount Zion with all redeemed in Christ. As for the rest of your posts, I will no longer respond...

Because Ephraim is a picture of professed believers of the congregation. They are the unbelievers who are IN GOD'S COVENANT HOUSE. Jeremiah 7:14-15 "Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers...

First, God applies a spiritual interpretation to these words that He inspired His prophet Hosea to write, indicating to us that the prophecy is ultimately fulfilled by the Gentiles coming into Christ along with the remnant of Jews. In this prophecy in Hosea (and others like it in the OT), Judah...

God assigned the spiritual number to the Great Multitude to represent that they are the fullness of the children of Israel regardless exact head count of all redeemed Saints.

Relax. You need take a deep breath. Gentiles can be grafted into spiritual tribes of Israel (which is a covensnt tree Israel) because they are spiritual Jews in Christ. The 144,000 is much larger than your Jewish fable.

To all God’s redeemed people of the 144,000 saying. AMEN!!

There are some ethnic Jews "IN CHRIST" as part of Covenant Israel. Of course. Some of them are. Yes. It is spiritual 12 tribes of the children of Israel "IN CHRIST". I did not say that. False witness. No. The original 12 Old Testament tribes is part of the larger spiritual 12 tribes...

The dilemma is that they do not like hearing this because it proved their doctrine on 144,000 wrong.

LOL. It's true, you make it up. The problem is your mathematic gymnastics isn't biblical, to begin with anyway. No man can count or number the multitude. Only that the 144,000 is symbolically fullness of congregation from the old and New testament...thus the great multitude as a result...

Me?! No, it was Brightframe52 you asked and he DID. LOL!!!! He did. Denial is your middle name. Of course! Sigh... The number is symbolic and represents Covenant Israel make up of Church from the Old and New Testament. Just because it does not say "church", you refuse to believe that...

You are playing games here. He did explain himself. I witnessed it. I even explained it myself too. You don't want to hear it. Sad. You are natural with a carnal mind thinking that 144,000 has to be a literal headcount and apart from a great multitude. And I am spiritually discerned that...

Quite an unbiblical speculation!

Sigh.....

There are many errors with this preterism chart. The baptism of Christ was not a confirmation of a covenant. Nowhere in Scripture that teaches the baptism is a confirmation of a covenant. God has already explained that covenant/testament won't be confirmed or made strengthened until someone...