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Jesustruth: Here is Martin Luther's view of free will. Paul teaches, Rom. vii. and Gal. v., that there is in the saints, and in the godly, so powerful a warfare between the spirit and the flesh, that they cannot do what they would. From this warfare I argue thus: If the nature of man be so...

Dave: Quote: Originally Posted by Jesus'Truth God made us with free will to do good or evil. When Adam sinned sin entered the world, and we became like God knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must...

Jesustruth: God made us with free will to do good or evil. When Adam sinned sin entered the world, and we became like God knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and...

Hannibal Flavius: I dont think I believe in free will because there is no time as Einstein said, time is an illusion. The past, present and future have already been, if you were on a planet 65 million light years from Earth, you could literally watch the asteroid hit earth, and you would see...

Brightframe replied : Originally Posted by 1689dave Martin Luther overthrew the notion of free will with this simple point. Paul teaches, Rom. vii. and Gal. v., that there is in the saints, and in the godly, so powerful a warfare between the spirit and the flesh, that they cannot do what...

Jesustruth said: Originally Posted by 1689dave Martin Luther overthrew the notion of free will with this simple point. Paul teaches, Rom. vii. and Gal. v., that there is in the saints, and in the godly, so powerful a warfare between the spirit and the flesh, that they cannot do what they...

Jesustruth: John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me, 1 Samuel 2:30 "Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares: 'I promised that members of...

Jesustruth Originally Posted by Brightfame52 Those God Loves shall love Him, 1 Jn 4:18-19 God loves those who love Him. John 15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commandments and remain in his love. John 14:21 The person who...

Jesustruth: Originally Posted by 1689dave We hate God and love our idols unless God gives us a supernatural change of heart. It's not in us to change. “And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all...

Jesustruth Originally Posted by 1689dave Where do you get that Idea? God wants us to choose to love Him. John 7:17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that...

Dave said this. Martin Luther overthrew the notion of free will with this simple point. Paul teaches, Rom. vii. and Gal. v., that there is in the saints, and in the godly, so powerful a warfare between the spirit and the flesh, that they cannot do what they would. From this warfare I argue...

You cannot be saved on your own efforts only in G-d's effort and how do you obtian them ? Just like Jesus did. The bible says God came as the son and came without power and did so for A reason. And he came without power. Why did God came as Jesus with no power but one to pray to God. God came...

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Brightframe replied them ! Originally Posted by Jesus'Truth Do we have freewill or is it biblical ? We have freewill. God wants us to choose to love Him. Those God Loves shall love Him, 1 Jn 4:18-19 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment...

Then another friend named Jesustruth said : Do we have freewill or is it biblical ? We have freewill. God wants us to choose to love Him. and dave replied. Originally Posted by Jesus'Truth Do we have freewill or is it biblical ? We have freewill. God wants us to choose to love Him...

Dave: Free will turns God into a bully who makes people "say uncle" or do whatever their brand of religion tells them to do to save themselves. I.e., make decisions, use sacraments, etc., or He will torture them forever. This is a very nasty bully god. It also makes God out to be a character...

Brightframe: Not only is mans will not free from the Sovereign control of Gods will and purpose, neither is mans free from his wicked sinful nature, for by nature we are all slaves to our sin nature which is controled by the devil. Eph 2:1-3 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in...

A friend posted this ! 1689dave said : Originally Posted by Brightfame52 Since God controls our choices, mans will isnt free from Gods control, His Purpose, is that right ? God controls every choice every person freely makes causing them to align with His unchangeable eternal plan. He...

But still we know God said that man was like him and the angels that knoweth good and evil ! And still we realize the devil had freewill before us and he fell ! But we know that in our error of Adam we can decide not like the devil but do good in the mistake and rely on God's effort and not our...