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Sure that I can do for you. Its both!

I guess you just skipped over it.

Try going to around Jesus back. The Shroud shows both Jesus and Mary as the Light... like a marriage.

That's because the Father went into the Son and now is a man. God literally got born thru is Queen as a Man God. And now she is Mother of God made man. You can't go around Jesus to his Father because Son of God is the Father. I use my brain to figure these things out.

The bible is missing parts to it. The Shroud however is complete.

Do you have something to debunk the Shroud or what?

Well to find out what going on you need real life experiences like I have had.

Its both of them according to the Shroud. Like Mother and Father. Jews can't handle there is Mother of God. They can't even handle Jesus was God. And you guys exclude Mary's role. All you have to do is look to the Shroud to know.

No I'm saying the Shroud overrides your bible on Mary.

Start with Gen 3:15 line up all the bibles and you'll see. The Shroud is free for everyone to look at. There is only 1.

I'm not.. I know which bible is older.. and which came after and which scriptures they specifically targeted. So I went to the Shroud to prove its a Jesus and Mary heaven.

Yeah.. I'm imaging it being an Adam and Eve heaven..

I'm saying there is a record of monkeying around with every scripture that involved Mother Mary in all your bibles. The Shroud proved her.

Barney I don't read copy and pastes, use your own brain to make your point. Remember I have the video.

Ever since Douay Rheims man rewirte the bible to x out Mary from their bibles. So your bibles are bad. You can easily prove it.

It works here on Earth very well. Thru Mary =Salvation.

The Shroud is the unwritten word of God. . . a miracle. It tells me the Path to be on so I can hold head up high and be proud to be Catholic. You guys do realize I don't need a Popes permission to look at the Shroud.

It won't be in my lifetime where ever this battle is.. it could be all us Catholics taking out the evil spirits like shining armor for all our ladies. I'll be there. But Ezk already happened.

Luke 17:20 Contemporary English Version Some Pharisees asked Jesus when God's kingdom would come. He answered, "God's kingdom isn't something you can see. Good News Translation Some Pharisees asked Jesus when the Kingdom of God would come. His answer was, "The Kingdom of God does not come in...

I thought he did a great job!!! If that is what Jesus looks like!! that would be awesome.