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As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their...

"Symbol: A mark or character used as a conventional representation of an object, function, or process; or - A thing that represents or stands for something else" So, how is symbolism...the using of symbols to represent something, not appropriate? Imagery is also relevant, as it's described as...

So....there is no mysterious or symbolic language. At all? You willing to put money on that? Especially since you then go on to talk about the symbols and how to interpret them... You don't know the 'details' but know what it's talking about? The only symbolic “language” I can think of is...

Hi Naomi, I hope this day finds you doing well. No...the bible paints a clear picture: Christ returns, he raises the dead, the living, gives new bodies, judges all, remakes the cosmos, etc. Obviously, it’s not that clear or thousands of us wouldn’t be having these discussions. We agree that...

The same thing could have been said in 1967, 1973, 1982 and a half dozen more or so.

I'm sorry, but...what? "Just because it contains symbols, doesn't mean its symbolic". Here's some very "plain sense". If you come across a symbol...it's a symbol. And of course symbols stand for an actual truth. This is part of the whole "spiritualizer" strawman argument that goes on. I've...

Hi Naomi, Wait....hang on. You see the seeming fact that Christ returns multiple times, as "different aspects of the same event"? In other words.....the same event being repeated....described slightly differently? HOW is that any different to recapitulation? If I remember right you think...

So...let me get this straight. Revelation cannot be apocalyptic like Daniel, because it doesn't have the words 'dream' or 'vision' in it, and every time John says "I saw" he was being shown "in the flesh"? So....it doesn't count if he was shown all those things while actually there, rather than...

Hi Naomi, Your words are in black, mine in red. The reason why 'the obvious understanding isn't the natural understanding' is because when one reads Revelation chronologically and in a strictly literal manner, it simply doesn't make sense. We have Christ returning more than once and world ending...

I thought that might be the case as I didn't respond in a way that would give you an alert, hence the second message.

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Hi Naomi, You stated – “I think there is a bit of hermeneutical assumption that says that Rev 1:19 is speaking of "past-present-future" events. Because when one reads what it says...while that interpretation could be pressed into it, it seems a far more naturally reading to see: "John, write...

My bad, sorry guys.

Of course I believe in the trinity but no where in the bible is the Holy Spirit projected as a person w/ hands and feet.

Having never really given it much thought I thought I’d study a bit and see if I could offer some possibilities. The following are only possibilities and opinions. Revelation 10 1. Who is the mighty angel, his feet on the sea and the earth ? Rev. 10:1 – “And I saw another mighty angel come...

I agree and they will be the 144,000, imho. Have you gotten around to reading the Prophecy vs. Apocalyptic post yet?

The "HIM" is the a/c ruling in Jerusalem. Vs. 21 begins his story.

Actually Naomi, this was a literal prophecy that became literally fulfilled. The NC was indeed made w/ Israel. Don't forget that for the first decade or so there were only Israeli believers. Prophecy fulfilled literally. The Gentiles became heirs to the same covenant but it came to Israel first...

John was the youngest disciple and the last surviving one. I can only hazard a guess but I would say that God simply didn't inspire him to write until the latter time of his life. As far as the seven churches being "Jewish" christians, I would say, No way! They were Gentile churches. By the time...

Most scholars disagree giving these dates for five of the books in the NT: John: AD 80-90 1 John: AD 90-95 2 John: AD 90-95 3 John: AD 90-95 Revelation: AD 94-96 Those that give an earlier date do so to give credence to the "symbolism" of Rev. or preterists or historicists.