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How about that debate Insight? It appears that you have a lot of time on your hands. Oh, and here's the answer to your objections regarding Philippians 2: Since when can it be said of any created being that, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be...

Unregenerate man is incapable of choosing God. Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. Therefore, faith and repentance are given by God as a gift to whomever he chooses. Observe: Php 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in...

So you're accusing God's word of being illogical? Interesting. Here it is again. Read carefully. The words are plain enough: 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain...

Once again, we're back to that which describes versus that which prescribes. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. Mat 7:22 On that...

Yep. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name...

Only in as far as God has enabled us. Hence, the Scripture I provided. Nope. Yep, by the power of God. Once again, we're back to that which prescribes versus that which describes. ;)

Just let me know when you're ready to debate the doctrine of the Trinity.

Did you read this one? Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. ...

Uh, yeah, o.k. Just let me know when you're ready to debate the doctrine of the Trinity. I'm hoping that your arguments won't be so incoherent at that time.

Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. No, we have nothing to do...

Do you mean how the idiom "Alpha and Omega" relates to the 24 elders? My "communication" has been and is that there is no correspondence and you haven't proven otherwise. What avoidance? What in the world does God's eternal nature have to do with how Jesus "relates" to temporal man? What...

Insight, I honestly can't make heads or tales of your post. It's nothing bunch of incoherent rambling. I reject that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega? Where did I do that? The 24 letters of the Greek alphabet correspond to the 24 elders in revelation? Come on Insight, are you serious? There's...

Yes, but neither I nor the Bible mean what you mean by that. Observe. "but to us who are being saved" (1 Cor. 1:18) “Through which [gospel] you are being saved” (I Cor. 15:2) “Those who are being saved” (II Cor. 2:15). The verb "saved" in all three verses is in the passive voice. Verbs in...

Sorry, but that is simply ridiculous. He doesn't say that he has a beginning and end. He says that he is the beginning and end. This is an idiomatic expression denoting that which is supreme or ultimate. Every time you find this expression used of God or Christ it is tied inextricably to this...

Once again, is that obedience the fruit or the root of salvation? Do your good works and obedience come along side of grace and faith to help merit salvation as Rome teaches?

I don't know what correlation there is between Jesus being created and being the firstborn among the dead. There's no connection there at all. Be that as it may, do you mean to say that you deny the doctrine of the Trinity? If so, maybe a formal debate is in order. I've been looking for the...

How did I ignore them? I posted Scripture in my first response to your OP that clearly says we have been saved right along side Scripture that says we are being saved and we will be saved. I don't ignore them, I accept them. It's what Scripture plainly says. What would you like to do with those...

Show me where I have said any such thing.

I manage to find someone who agrees with me every now and then. :D

Prentis, Where exactly does Scripture teach that any aspect of redemption, including glorification, is gained or kept by works and obedience? I think you misunderstand something here. When it comes to salvation there are two types of statements made in Scripture. The first prescribes how one...