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Something Jesus says just two chapters away could possibly shed some light on his meaning. Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. Mat 13:17 For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it...

I'm afraid that you missed the point of my question. I'll try again. Are you saved by good works or are you saved unto good works? Are good works the fruit or the root of salvation. It's one or the other. It's not both. One has the explicit backing of Scripture. The other does not. Which is it?

It's not the gospel (good news) of salvation by grace that was hidden Richard. Paul defines very clearly what was hidden. The mystery of which Paul speaks is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs of grace in Christ through the gospel. Paul clearly defines what was hidden and it's not the gospel...

So you're simply going to ignore the Scripture I presented that clearly speaks of the present progressive and future aspects of salvation? Shall I re-post them or do they just not matter to you one way or the other?

Hi Prentis, Could you clarify your position? I know that sometimes things get lost in the mix of a discussion such as this. Are you saying that good works and obedience are the fruit of salvation or do you believe that they are the way in which one becomes saved and remains so? In other words...

My "opinion" is duly noted? How passive-aggressive of you Mr. Net Chaplain. No, I'm afraid you misunderstand. I haven't given you my opinion. I've given you the facts of the matter, which I can back up with documentation should you so desire to be contentious. You said that part of the reason...

This is an over generalization. You're assuming that which is a point of contention among textual critics. It's simply not a foregone conclusion by all that those "omissions" are actually omissions. Some may be "additions" that crept into later manuscripts. That's always a possibility and must...

Actually, according to Scripture, there is. The problem here is that you misunderstand what that means. As a matter of fact, there is a past, present, and future aspect to salvation. Progressive salvation, as some call it, is simply the believers walk of faith between conversion and death...

The only conflict here is the category error in your thinking. Joh 10:17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. Joh 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority...

I'm aware of your opinion too, and the God-breathed Scriptures disagree with it.

No, according to the Scriptures, death is the just punishment for sin, which ultimately results in the second death and eternal punishment. Remember, if the punishment Jesus promises isn't eternal, then neither is the life he promises. You can't have it both ways. Mat 25:46 And these will go...

Here is a little background information on the Nicene Creed for those who are interested in further study. THE CREEDS OF CHRISTENDOM, WITH A HISTORY AND CRITICAL NOTES. BY PHILIP SCHAFF, D.D., LL.D., PROFESSOR OF BIBLICAL LITERATURE IN THE UNION THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY, N. Y. §8. The...

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Come on Robbie. Why do you refuse to give a straightforward answer? 1. Are Paul's epistles inspired Scripture? YES or NO. 2. Is Paul wrong about the following statement? YES or NO. 1Co 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles...

The word 'catholic' simply means 'universal.' In other words, believers everywhere they're found. When the word 'catholic' was used in the early Church they had no concept of eastern church and western church or Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox. It was simply believers everywhere. Do you...

I did read your post. So? I thought you were Roman Catholic. Are you siding with the Eastern Orthodox Church now?

Then you may want to look up the filioque controversy. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06073a.htm

Come on Robbie. Why do you refuse to give a straightforward answer? 1. Are Paul's epistles inspired Scripture? YES or NO. 2. Is Paul wrong about the following statement? YES or NO. 1Co 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles...

Good point. A slap in the face is an insult, and theft is an inconvenience, but neither are attempted murder.

Thanks for the good word Tom. That's o.k. I'm comforted by the fact that this is a public thread. All who come here can see it. The truth speaks for itself.