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Eph 2:8-9 is in regards to getting saved BOL, it proves that believing and confessing is not a work. Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are...

Right, but to you believing and confessing is a work, which is false Eph 2:8-9. BOL, forgiveness, salvation and redemption are a package deal. Why do you ignore the text, it's right there for you to see... Eph 1:5-7 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance...

epostle1, nonbelievers are not redeemed. Redemption is a result of getting saved. Eph 1 and Col 1 are talking about believers in Christ, and as we all know Eph 1:13-14 is OSAS passage. Eph 1:5-7 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and...

Right, we cooperate through our belief and faith. Believing and confessing is not a work. If that's what you're trying to make it then that's false, Eph 2:8-9. Only if they believe and confess BOL, not every one will accept His free gift. Which you have taken all out of context. Right, and...

No, Jesus died for the whole world, but salvation is only for those who believe and confess. It has nothing to do with cooperating and everything to do with belief. Rejects as in a born again believer turning to atheism? That's not biblical, and you're grasping at straws. :rolleyes: Well...

When you repent and are baptized in the Holy Spirit, what are you believing in?? The death, burial and resurrection. Forgiveness and redemption are a package deal.............. Eph 1:7-8 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s...

Well, you're assuming Rom 8:31-39 is not referring to salvation, but it is. You would have to prove that walking away is not a condition of the 17 things mentioned in those passages. Are you willing to break down the 17 conditions as you see it? If you can't do that then you are adding to...

That's right. We make ourselves enemies of God through UNBELIEF. For God so LOVED THE WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. You would need discernment to understand what's figurative or not, no? I'm not buyin what...

BOL, the elect are born again believers only. Rom 8:31-39 is speaking to believers in Christ only. Agape love is for believers only. Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Rom 8:37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through...

That is why the 17 things listed in Rom 8:35, 38-39 covers all sin, even present and future and also demons that tempt us into sin... trouble hardship persecution famine nakedness danger sword? death nor life neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future nor any powers...

BOL, the love of God in Rom 8 is translated "agape" love. There are multiple types of biblical love in scripture, and only believers in Christ obtain agape love. These are the elect of God. Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. No, believing...

Well, that's the thing. I'm not trying to prove anything, rather this is my testimony to the world. I already know OSAS is truth because of my faith in Jesus Christ. I use scripture because I believe the Gospel and what Jesus claimed. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper...

No, what I said was laying on hands is not a condition to be saved 2000 years later. You can believe and confess where you stand. God accepts you right where you are, Rom 10:9. Right, and the 17 things listed in Rom 8:35, 38-39 are a result of our free will and living in a fallen world. ;)

Trouble and persecution is in the Greek text BOL, and Rom 8:35 is a OSAS scripture. No, if they refuse to believe and confess, and I already agreed with you that universal-ism is false.

Are you filled with the Holy Spirit BOL? Lord help us. :rolleyes: Acts 9:17-18 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be...

Hi kepha. If those scriptures refute OSAS, then Matt 13:21 and Mark 4:17 is in contradiction with Rom 8:35 (trouble and persecution). Read again, they never had the root of salvation. God bless.

Do you deny the Synoptic Gospels? Matt 13:21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. Mark 4:17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of...

It actually doesn't. Let me know if you see the contradiction (of non-osas). They did not have the root of salvation. God bless. Matt 13:21 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution) Mark 4:17 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution) Luke 8:13 (uses the...

I guess "hates" is a strong word, rather it makes Jesus sad to see people reject him. You destroyed that idea alright. :rolleyes: Matt 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. I guess God is in...

Right, that's why the Pharisees are in heaven? :rolleyes: You say "we" in the context that BOL is born again and preaches the finished work of the cross? 2 Cor 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. BOL, scripture uses apostasy for nonbelievers only...