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Pre-wrath believes they are the raptured church. The bible never speaks of an end-time revival only a great apostasy.

or it is more likely, they were the children of Adam and Eve before the fall. Sons of God before the fall, daughters of men after the fall.

Same place it was between 33ad and 40ad, still waiting...

Dan. 9:26 - And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." Most of...

Excellent post, Enoch, I only view things differently with a couple of minor things. I believe Jesus meant what he said, yet there are a few stones still together (the wailing wall+) so I don't think it is history yet. I think the GT will begin in the 4th seal and that is when the martyrs...

It's interesting to hypothesize but since the church will be gone by then, imo, it won't effect us either way.

For something that is a major identity point for some Christians and if it was something God wanted to make very clear, there is literally no verse that comes right out and declares that. Yes, we have a couple of metaphors from Paul equating marriage with the unity we should have in Christ but...

Hi Davy, I guess we disagree on many issues so on this topic anyway, I hope we can agree to disagree. Regarding Dan. 11, I believe Antiochus ends at vs.20 and the a/c is from vs. 21 to the end.

We can't always imagine that they are understood in the original language the same way we understand it from the translations. There are many nuances we just don't get. Well that could be because every preterist I've debated with has been amil and read REv, as symbolic, so I have assumed that...

I looked at all of this one so it was probably from another thread and I'm not going to read them all. I imagine they had uniforms and headgear that would make it hard to tell the difference but describing a guy as having long hair like a woman's is not unusual at all, just ask my fellow...

In that respect, Jesus will be unique, he will be the only one to have any scars. The bible says that we will be known as we are known so we might present ourselves as having a male or female spirit. Gal. 3:28, if he doesn't see us as male or female now, why would he in eternity, it also says we...

I don't think we will be sleeping, we won't need to, God has become our rest.

No, I don't think so because that would make us "unclean" both literally and spiritually. There will be no male or female so what would the need be for sexual or nursing organs? We will be like the angels in that respect, and I just can't picture them going on a mission for God and needing to...

Yes, they are there and John knows what they are there for but unless you think Jesus and his army are just going to be sitting around in the sky waiting to be noticed then twiddling his thumbs and hang around for weeks until the whole world gets all their forces into one place, then we can know...

I would suggest reading Rom. 9:20-23.

Consider this Corel, how much time do you think it would take for these kingdoms to get everything together, transport their armies to Armageddon? It's not going to be done overnight plus they have no idea that Christ is coming, they have all refused repentance and have denied the fact of His...

It's not the church Davy, it's the three kings, the king of the north (Russia+),the kings of the south (an Islamic army) and the kings of the east (China, Rev. 9:16 , 16:12-14) they will be rebelling against the a/c, that is what causes Armageddon in the first place. The war to end all wars, but...

Uh, it did using the words "keep and hear" which most likely had a stronger message in the Greek. Then you are the exception to the rule. Here in KY we have many Church of God's and variations of it and they are all amil. They are all preterists and see nothing to prepare for. All the things...

In our new bodies, no plumbing will be required. I expect those aspects of our human body will be completely gone.

I'm looking forward to learning everything I always wanted to know. I firmly expect to learn how to play every instrument I want to.