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Hey Tigger, Give me evidence that Ignatius Epistle to the Ephesians is NOT what he wrote and that there were changes to it! You suggested there were changes. I can't find evidence there was! Respectfully, Mary

ditto for anti-trinitarians....back to square one :rolleyes: Or to put it another way: The pot calling the kettle black ;)

Hey Tigger, Show me where I denied that Lamson was NOT an influential writer OR where I implied that he must be a liar. If you can provide that evidence I will correct what I have written. I have never heard of him and I can't find him on a list of "influential writers". Can you provide a list...

Hi david, I did not contradict my own quote. I quoted something and then you quoted part of it (out of context) and then I corrected you. I made it clear that there is NOT a unanimous agreement on the subject of the Trinity. I am the one who quoted that. You are the one who quoted it...

I can't hear you so I don't know if you "sound young". But you write as a child that has not yet learned what has been taught and accepted for 2,000 years. Also, I am younger than you! The problem is not quoting. The problem you have is not quoting in context....as I previously showed you!

Arius, the original Trinity denying heretic of which you follow, was not killed for his heresy. He allegedly died of a bowel problem. God did not condone the killings for heresy. That was a work of Satan. The tree of anti-trinitarism has produced little fruit. A bitter fruit that is rejected...

You reject the thinking ability and logic of the majority of the greatest Christian minds and accept the logic and thinking ability of your men. It is not a matter of popularity. It is a matter of the Truth. And you have been given it. Now, you are free....John 8:32

Hey Tigger, Who we were supposed to find a mention or suggestion of the "trinity" in the writing of 1 Clement?

So you agree with The Catholic Church when it fits what YOU believe but disagree with The Catholic Church when it doesn't teach what you believe? Well, I guess that will always make YOU right and The Church will always be wrong. :cool:

What could be more clear: Non Trinitarian Faith Groups That Reject the Trinity (learnreligions.com) The doctrine of the Trinity is central to most Christian denominations and faith groups, although not all. The term Trinity is not found in the Bible, and the concept is not easy to grasp or...

No, it is not only little ol' Marymog that thinks that. A MAJORITY of Christians think that. Why do you reject it?

Oh...I am finished???? You crack me up Scott. :rolleyes: You TWIST what Jesus, Peter and Paul said. You REJECT other passages from Scripture that is opposite of what you believe. You then "declare it" to me that you are right and that I am finished????????? Oh goodness..... At the end of...

You crack me up Scott.....:cool:

Dear dear David, They are NOT controversial. A majority of Christianity, Christian denominations, preachers, teachers and the average I only go to Church on Sunday Christians believe and accept the Trinity doctrine. YOU and your ilk are in a very small minority. That does not make controversy...

Oh goodnesss David.....You are wearing me out kiddo. Soooooooooooooooo you reject what the men who were students of the Apostles wrote but you accept what other men say WHO NEVER MET THE APOSTLES????????? o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O You believe that the students of the Apostles wrote "twisted things" but...

OMG...You are just like @tigger 2 :( DO NOT partially quote what I provided. Quote ALL OF IT: While it can hardly be said that there is at present any unanimous agreement on the subject, the best modern criticism favors the authenticity of the seven letters mentioned by Eusebius. Even such...

Oh goodness.....That is your defense? Peter confirmed what you said? Seriously....o_O Soooooo show me in the entire 2,000 history of Christianity that Peter "confirmed" what you believe. When has in the last 2,000 years our sons and your daughters shall prophesy, young men shall see visions...

Why does one or the other have to be "first and most important"? That makes no sense! The Ante-Nicene Fathers are a collection of writings of the Church Fathers starting with the Apostolic fathers all the way up to the first General Council that was held at Nicea in 325AD. That is 20+ writings...

Tigger, I don't understand what that has to do with what we are debating. Can you clarify?

Hi Tigger, Here is what I have found in regard to the short version: Ignatius_to_Ephesians.pdf (orderofstignatius.org) The Epistle Of Ignatius To The Ephesians – Shorter Version = Chapters 01 through 21 being read by Peter-John Parisis from The Writings of Apostolic Fathers translated by Dr...