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first thanks for the reply, second, there are some who are deceived now. but what's scary is this, 2 Thessalonians 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them...

GINOLJC, to all. you're correct, that the spirit of ERROR... Good spiritual eyes VJ. PICJAG.

that's right the spirit said "be a lying spirit", not that it was a lying spirit, but be one. 2 Chronicles 18:21 "And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so"...

Revelation 2:18 "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass Thyatira = "odour of affliction" - Original: Θυάτειρα, my source, Thayer's Greek Definitions - Definition...

well ain't you the warm one.... (smile). you're not alone. back in the 70's warm sunshine and short paints weather.... :p he be good, H. PICJAG.

will do old friend, don't worry God is in control. PICJAG.

I have been looking over a few post, which all seem to be good answers, I commend all. but may I add my two cent in, or may I say one cent. I have one scripture that sums it up for me. mind you all the answer so far are excellent, consider this verse. Romans 14:23 (KJV). PICJAG.

Genesis 4:14 makes one search the word of God for the correct TRUE answer. I have heard many answers over my life time and none suites the bill, as to say, for the correct answer. only one I seen so far is the correct one. PICJAG.

I like the footnote on Thyatira, "I should only want those things that jesus gives". I like that. I'll take my time to read over them ok. again thanks. PICJAG

I can agree with that assessment, for no knows how long Adam and Eve was in the Garden before they sinned and was put out. we only have chronological time under the stigma of sin. PICJAG.

Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; Again, another description of his Person. As said the sharp double edge sword is the word of God. Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and...

that's a good point, because he has not given us the spirit of "FEAR", but of a sound nind. and yes, he "WENT there FIRST". good point. if I may I have an acronym for "FEAR" that God gave me many years ago, as in contrast to FAITH, which we will all be overcomer. Fear: False Evidence Appearing...

Yes, I agree. in my experence, and what the Lord Jesus has revealed to me is that he has faithful in all churches. over the course of many years I have spoken to many who was of different denominations, friends or acquaintance of mine. and a few I was shocke as of what they told me. one friend...

GINOLJC, to all. First thanks for the reply, second, if there is something God wants us to know there I guarantee you someone is going to bring it out, sooner or later. as said, no need to chase it. God is in control. thanks anyway. PICJAG.

I was just reffering to you, as your chart that you presented. not that you made it. but post you own chart, would like to seeit sloppy and all... (smile). PICJAG.

Correct, according to research, NOT MINE, under the Roman Emperors, beginning with Nero, A. D. 64, and ending with Diocletian in A. D. 310. Seven of these "Great Persecutions" occurred during this "Smyrna Period" of Church History. Or it may refer to the 10 years of the last and fiercest...

Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; Smyrna = "myrrh". the definition states, Its taste is extremely bitter, but its smell, though strong, is not disagreeable; as a perfume. it appears to have...

correct, John 15:2 "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit". PICJAG.

first thanks for the reply, second, that's my point if the word can be translated either way why two of them is translated diferently. it seem to me, it is trying to tell something. or maybe not. Just like Paul said in Ephesians, this same church 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the...

I was just looking at your post. but do not God have elect not "only" in those two churches only, or are you using just these two churches to identify all the elect everywhere? PICJAG.