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  1. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    Yes, metaphorical. In the same way other biblical verses tell us God 'owns the cattle on a thousand hills', or 'a day in his court is better than a thousand elsewhere'...clearly the author intends to tell us that God owns all the cattle, and that a day in his courts is better than all else. 1000...
  2. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    So, I've been mulling over this, and I'm not entirely sure it does "make a difference" to my general perception of prophetic timelines. As an Amillennial, I tend to see both Revelation and "the tribulation period" as a period of time that stretches between the time of Christ's ascension and his...
  3. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    I suppose that depends on whether or not you're attempting to tell me I'm an apostate or not! :p
  4. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    Are you saying that MERS wasn't airborne? I don't remember much about it except that it was fairly deadly. I mean, in general...when you see how things are in the really hard hit areas...where they're having 800 dead a day, then sure...I suppose its easy to say its perhaps not an over-reaction...
  5. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    So, let me get this straight...you'd rather believe that the numbers...which can be demonstrated to be symbolic throughout Revelation, by the way...must be accurate, above and beyond EVERYTHING else in that passage. Even above the very clear fact that WHAT OTHER child could possibly fit the bill...
  6. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    Ah. I think, perhaps, that you have misunderstood me. Rev 11:15-18 lists a few things clearly. At that time, Christ will have bought his heavenly kingdom to earth. The 'Kingdom of the earth' will have become 'the Kingdom or our Lord and his Christ'. We see that although the 'nations raged'...
  7. Naomi25

    Best Teachers On Prophecy

    I may not come from your particular school of eschatology, which means my 'good teachers' may not be who you're after...but I'll list 'em anyway! I like listening/reading Sam Storms, Kim Riddlebarger, Greg Beale, Johnathan Menn, Dean Davis, Voddie Baucham. They're all in the Amillennial...
  8. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    I'm not saying it has happened yet. That is exactly what we currently pray for in the Lords Prayer "your kingdom come, your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven". But the point of the text is that it is showing the time it WILL happen. When every knee on earth will bow and acknowledge...
  9. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    Again....a problem. Revelation 12 is clearly talking about the birth of the Messiah. Lasting, really, to his death, when he is 'snatched up to heaven'. How on EARTH, do you then make that about the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation? And Matt 24, "let he who is in the field not go back for his...
  10. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    Okay....two things: I think that's the first time I've ever been told that listening to Paul, Luke and Christ was "getting my end times interpretation from people who only knew it in bits and pieces". What they knew, or didn't know, is not really up to us to guess. All that matters is what we...
  11. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    To be perfectly honest I'm not following how America is dealing with the pandemic...although I have spared a thought to whether this will change the outcome of the elections in November. I didn't think the Democrats could possibly win considering the candidates they had lined up, but it might...
  12. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    Ah, hmmm. "The Day of the Lord doesn't immediately precede the Day of the Lords return". I feel I must question the soundness of that sentence, especially in light of what the bible teaches. Matthew 24:29–31 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the...
  13. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    The 2% is an estimate...spread out across the globe I think. There are countries where its higher or lower. It's rather bizarre, isn't it? How quickly we flipped to 'the dark side'? And everyone not only hurrying to do it, but actively calling for it. Bernie Sanders must be sitting in one of...
  14. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    Lol! Granted! But, the way I see it, the signs that speak of massive, cosmic, world ending type events...they happen in the moments preceding Christ's return. And yeah, we'll know to look up. But I'm talking about down the road. Some people reckon they can plot out every event that needs to...
  15. Naomi25

    Trial run... Or the real thing?

    It was a very interesting video...although, he sort of lost me when he started talking about the Noahide laws...I missed the link he was making I think. I truly don't know when Christ will come again, or even what precise signs will precede that return (at least, not like many claim to)...but I...
  16. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    Yeah. I'm about done with conversation. For the life of me I cannot understand how you have "Christian" on your profile. But, I'm not going to get through to you, and you sure as heck aren't going to convince me....sorry.
  17. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    If you think there are biblical verses that prove Christ isn't going to appear literally, you ought to provide them, rather than just assuming your say so is authority enough. The problem with just tossing out the two you have is that any decent exegete can come along with a couple of other...
  18. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    As is the case so often with you, the conversation has led to circles within circles. The intent was never to place limitations, but to describe my field of experience, which you wanted me to define, but that, apparently, placed limitations within, or without, that definition. No. Not my intent...
  19. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    I know you're smart enough to realise that the word "return" need not appear for the idea to be clearly represented. For example, if I say to you "I will come back", that means the same. Or, "I will come again". When you start threading these other...CLEAR...intentions in with verses that speak...
  20. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    You know, I just LOVE your constant toss out comments that relate Christianity to pagan stuff. It's interesting to me, because as far as I can see, you have not much proof. And considering our source document, the bible, is where we draw the majority of our doctrines and traditions from, I'm...