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  1. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    Well, lets reason this out a little. I've already provided verses that speak that we must put our faith in Christ and him alone, so I won't do that again. Instead, I'll ask this: if Christ tells us that HE is THE way, truth and life...and then tells us to 'go and do likewise'....what do you...
  2. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    Forgive me, but any particular news day would prove you wrong. "It's better than it was 100 years ago" may be true. But I'm not sure that comforts the millions who are suffering and dying even now. Platitudes. The problem with this statement is...the logical outworking of it. Sure, Christians...
  3. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    I'm really not sure how basing ones denomination on biblical doctrine rather than inherited tradition places them into the category of 'wolf' on that principle alone. And just because we choose to base our doctrines on scripture rather than tradition doesn't mean we don't learn from tradition...
  4. Naomi25

    When do you feel closest to God?

    Ah...yes! I suppose that would have a rather immediate and intimate effect. And no truer one either, I imagine.
  5. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    Well....ah...it's a little hard to remember what my fundamental beliefs were since my first day, as my folks would have started taking me there as soon as I was born. But I get your drift. And to be honest....I don't think any have really changed. I've gone through the maturity of several...
  6. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    I was referring to Protestant denominations in general. I sort of thought that should have been evident, considering I had just mentioned 'Protestant eccesiology'. Not sure why you would think I would need to cheat or get 'pious' to tell you that...but, there you go. "Love feasts"? :D Oh...
  7. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    It's not a case of "us versus them" in attempting to understand truth and where we find it. It's about looking to scripture and seeing how God defines it. Thus, when we see 'Church' in the bible, we seek to understand how it is defined there. As you say, it's very easy to say "i'm right and...
  8. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    Again, I think you are falling prey to mistaken terminology. Yes, the JW's, Mormon's, etc, may call themselves 'churches', but that is only because they have 'borrowed' the term, no doubt because they believe they, too, are true believers. Sadly, the more we dig into their beliefs, the more it...
  9. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    I'm not sure, given this reply, how much you truly understand Protestant eccesiology. We're not so big on being able to lay claim on 'who holds the correct inherited tradition', and more on seeking correct doctrines from scripture. We enjoy learning from tradition and the Church forefathers, but...
  10. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    I'm sorry, but I think that's a judgement call you simply cannot make. Unless you've been IN all the 'churches'. And know all the hearts of those singing, praying, etc.
  11. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    'Bone to bone'...can't say I have heard that before, or understood. Reading your post helped a little! And...well...I like you point. I think, though, it takes the whole body, not just the Pastor. the Pastor is at the head, sure...he needs to guide and nurture. But, like you said, ultimately its...
  12. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    With all due respect to you, I disagree heartily. God's people 'gathering together' has been a tradition that started in the OT, seen all throughout the NT and then continued after Christ. And rather asking "how did we get here", which may be historically interesting, but not much more, we ought...
  13. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    But again, HOW is it you can have any true knowledge as to the state of every member of the body...that which makes up the Church? I suspect the problem here is terminology. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but...you seem to see that the gatherings of men within buildings is "mans church"...
  14. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    Okay, well, first I would say that those verses are specifically addressed to Israel - the original invitees to the Kingdom, and then Gentiles - those invited when the first refused. So...it's not really fitting our context. Secondly, it's pretty daring to declare that the 'church' doesn't have...
  15. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    You just seem to be arguing, and hard, against the notion. In fact you seem to often weigh the two (being more or less solitary, or assembling with other Christians) as a difference between “having Christ” and only “having men and religion”, which, you know, is a fairly heavy accusation I’m not...
  16. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    Just a quick question: what happens if the majority of Christians are 'following Christ and the leading of the Spirit' into gathering together with other Christians weekly? You still against it then? Thanks.
  17. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    Now, come on a bit...this is just stretching it a little, don't you think? It's a rather natural progression to call a building that the Church Body uses to gather in 'church', rather than "that building that we purchased with sole intent to gather together on a weekly or bi-weekly basis to...
  18. Naomi25

    Do I Have To Go To Church?

    I wonder how much of this is because people go to Church expecting to be: entertained, looked after, supported, fed...what-have-you....rather than going with the hopes of doing all that for others. I think too often people miss the fact that as 'members of Christ' we aren't encouraged to attend...
  19. Naomi25

    Franklin Graham asks: "What's wrong with these people?"

    Forgive me, but, the manner of your OP seemed to state rather *conclusively* your belief that the Democrats were Demonically possessed and controlled. And while I ABSOLUTELY agree that almost every endeavor of these people are both wicked and evil...I don't think I even need to go on and list...
  20. Naomi25

    Franklin Graham asks: "What's wrong with these people?"

    I'm not sure we can state conclusively that the Democrats are Demon possessed and controlled. To my mind, that waves away responsibility for their own sin. I know this is a touchy subject, and it concerns me that there is such a divide in evangelical and Christian circles in America (and...