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Yeah, I didn't see anything in Ezekiel 13 to give some idea of rapture, one way or the other. But the Trinity is not stated in scripture either, yet the concept is sound. And harpazo in Greek for "caught up", "snatched away" etc is translated as Rapturo in the Latin Bible, from which the...

I suppose that is possible. A maxim of computer science is, "if you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything". I don't see the connection. The passages is speaking of the false prophets of Israel and false teaching that is causing the souls of the people to be consumed.

Not quite sure what you are expecting. The passages seems pretty straightforward.

No, I don't rely on the rapture to save me, I rely on the Messiah to save me. But I also rely on promises that were made throughout both testaments. Please jog my memory a little. When back a few pages on this thread and didn't see a Ezekiel reference or missed it. What part of Ezekiel's...

Have you read Isaac Newton's commentaries? What basis do you have to assume that his commentaries are only based on logical interpretation? I can easily say the same for your position. Since you disagree with me, then you must be in error. Assuming that anyone who disagrees is...

So then, the appearance of Moses and Elijah on the mount with Jesus, holding a discussion with Him, they were just figments of the disciple's imagination? After all, there must be no consciousness after death until the GWT judgement, right? Sure Elijah, along with Enoch, were taken up and...

Nope. It means I will not be bogged down in contentious arguments that go nowhere. As per Paul's instructions to Timothy. Especially when someone comes across as just wanting to argue and "give it a shot". It may not be the case, but when someone throws something down that way, it wreaks of...

Why would you feel the need to sympathize with folks who believe in any position. That implies that you have all the knowledge of God and a corner on all theology. That borders on pride, a sin. I still believe that all of us, to one degree or another, will have egg on our face in the final...

Nah.. not worth the time. I am in good company though... "About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies of the Bible and insist on a literal interpretation in the midst of much clamor and opposition." - Sir Isaac Newton

I guess I could say likewise. Why do you demand a more liberal, allegorical approach and feel the needs to counter any other view? You are as guilty as you claim I am. It really makes little difference. I do not make a claim to dispensational or other position. I only follow the principle...

I request you tell me what you think Jesus meant. I did tell you what I think Jesus meant. I based this discussion of these passages on how He was describing things. If you can counter that Jesus did not perceive these thing the way I mentioned, then show that He didn't. Well, I suppose I...

Prove that Jesus did not view them the way I mentioned. What you think, what I think, what you feel, what I feel is all irrelevant. And you are playing mind games. I did say that the passage Jesus read, he confirmed that it was being fulfilled to them. That would include the joy, comfort, etc...

The very same way I can easily see the gap between Messiah's first coming and the day of vengeance of the Lord in Isaiah 61:2. Jesus Himself was the authority on that one. He quoted up to the middle of that passage and closed the book, and stated clearly that the passage he had just read was...

The text of Ezekiel does not say anything, or remotely refer, to the shepherd being smitten and the sheep scattered that is said in Matthew and Mark you posted. Those verses are direct quotes of Zechariah 13:7, not Ezekiel 13 that I was countering. But even then in, were 2/3rds of all Jewish...

That is true. But one also has to compare with the rest of scripture. Your reference of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is correct. And verse 17 and 18 along with it where it says we will be forever with the Lord. Nothing to indicate that we are gathered to Him as He is executing judgement upon the...

I already quoted those passages.

It is indeed a stretch of significant magnitude to apply what Jesus said to His disciples that night before His arrest as applying to the prophesy of Hosea that you imply. But lets look at the verse of Hosea 5:15 that preceded it. It says that the Lord would return to His place until they...

Since the teaching we are discussing is not actually mentioned in that passage, it would be equally applicable to you being wrong. You are using circular reasoning. Like "I think your teaching is false so this passage refers to you, and because this passage refers to you, I think that...

It is indeed simple! Those that are not removed prior to the Great Tribulation are to indeed call upon the Name of the Lord and will be saved! The passage you use and the application is correct! One aspect that I don't think that is being reasoned, is, what is the purpose of the Great...