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  1. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    I have no doubt that I am contradicting what most in Christendom believe. But the church was already in deep theological error before the ink was dry on the NT. Just a read of Paul's letters to some of them and the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation make that clear. Majority thought...
  2. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    Spiritualizing is trying to reach deeper hidden meanings in a scripture passage that is not necessarily there, and many times is nothing more than putting a spin on a passage to make it match what the interpreter is wanting the passage to mean. There are indeed spiritual applications that can...
  3. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    Why is it, when folks start to weaken in their argument, that they will ridicule others and become melodramatic in expressing themselves, thinking they can intimidate someone into their way of thinking. I think your problems are much deeper than some doctrinal position. You are more than...
  4. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    Yes, indeed, the scriptures were written to stand the test of time. But that doesn't have anything to do with interpretation of those scriptures standing the test of time. Already, before the first century ended, the church was already starting to mess things up. Paul's letters show that and...
  5. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    We do have a part, but only the part that involves acknowledgement of who Jesus is, then trust and acceptance. Clearly, true belief is more than just "believing". It is acceptance of the redemptive work of the Messiah to their own life. Then the HS places His seal on us that we are now...
  6. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    I suppose. The rapture can indeed "seem" like one of the most preposterous ideas, yet still has basis in scripture. But many perceptions tend to be based on preconceived ideas. Vast claims made on half vast data (don't say that out loud too quickly.. LOL). I still believe that proper...
  7. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    Are you looking for the word "rapture" or the concept? The concept is all thru scripture. The word itself is not in the English Bible, but it is in the Latin Vulgate. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 (NKJV) Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the...
  8. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    I read the entire chapter of Ezekiel 13. It has nothing to do with this discussion. To imply that it does is again allegorizing the scripture to extreme. This passage deals with the false prophets of Israel, clearly from the context. Those that lead Israel astray. Their judgement would come...
  9. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    Keras, one also has to compare it with the rest of scripture. You cannot make a doctrine out of one verse. There are actually two judgements... the GWT for unbelievers and the Judgement Seat of Christ for the believers where works are judged in terms of rewards to lack thereof. Judgement...
  10. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    Since time is a physical dimension, it is realistic to believe that, to God, there is no time in view. He knows the end from the beginning. I picked up on a part of what Scott was saying and saw it this way. It is possible, since time is part of the created world, and is a physical dimension...
  11. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    Isa 26:19 does? Prove it. There is no reference to judgement except that the Lord is coming out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth. And those that are not destined for punishment are told to hide themselves in their chambers. You know, the chambers that Jesus said He was...
  12. Copperhead

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    I am a strong advocate of the Mosaic Law prescription that an issue can only be confirmed on the testimony of two witnesses. For me, that is the OT and the NT. Check this one out: Isaiah 26:19-21 (KJV) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye...
  13. Copperhead

    Einstein's greatest blunder wasn't a blunder

    A few ideas for others to throw around... 1) time is a physical property. It can be affected by mass, velocity, etc. It therefore is a creation just like anything else. Though both are fully correct, the national standards clock in Greenwich, England runs slightly slower than the national...
  14. Copperhead

    Unforgivable Sin Explained.

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  15. Copperhead

    Unforgivable Sin Explained.

    Actually, I don't have a link. I have it in MP3 on my laptop. Not sure I can put the whole thing on here as an attachment. Just tried, system says file to large. PM me with an email and I will try and send it to you that way.
  16. Copperhead

    Unforgivable Sin Explained.

    I was given a little insight on book of Hebrews from a Messianic Jewish believer name of Albert Israeli. He made a strong case that Hebrews is pure apologetic towards Jews that had been close to believers, who had heard of Jesus, but had not yet made any commitment to Him. After listening to...