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I am sorry, but you have wasted your time. I did not say "rule". I said "ruler of..." which is exactly what the strong's Greek definition says. Strong's Greek: 4166. ποιμήν (poimén) -- a shepherd Definition: a shepherd; hence met: of the feeder, protector, and ruler of a flock of men.

I just want to bring out something I have touched on before, but didn't fully expound on. Some recent comments made me look deeper into the roll of a pastor, and there is a key point to be made. The term "pastor" is used once in the NT... Eph 4:11. I am going to do something that I generally...

Why not start a list of reasons to go? 1. Obedience to God 2. Praise and worship as a body 3. Learning of Him 4. Opportunity to give to God 5. Fellowship with those of like precious faith 6. Physical healing, mental healing, spiritual healing 7. Direction in life 8. Enter into his rest...

Well.. I have explained it. You have not. All you did was state I didn't understand it. Once again, he gave gifts. Not a gift. Sure I do. Now where are you going with this? I understan Eph 4. I understand 1 Cor 12. Where you are going with it I don't understand because both those...

Great. We all have a gift. I don't disagree. But we still are not called to be pastors. You even quoted the verse that says we have different gifts. All true Christians have the gift of the Holy Ghost (the comforter and spirit of truth). PRAISE GOD! HALLELUJAH! Now does that make us...

I am not missing the point; I am flat out disagreeing with you. The HG is a gift. Jesus is a gift. But that is not what Eph 4 is talking about. Jesus gave gifts... Plural. He didn't give a gift (singular). He gave gifts. The Holy Ghost is one thing and is a gift (not gifts) but it isn't...

I am going to start with this first because its pretty easy. What do you think leaders do if they don't serve? In this case a Church leader is serving the Lord by leading the flock and is serving the flock by leading them in the ways of the Lord. Please read Eph 4:8-11. Verses 9 and 10 are a...

It works on two scales just as it did in Paul's day: 1. Until all Christians are perfected (and again, Eph 4:13 explains that) around the world; and 2. For those who attend a Church at the local level. And I dare say the latter is the more practical application. Paul was addressing the...

That's only a partial quote. The ministry is for the perfecting of the saints and the edifying of the body of Christ. It then explains that to be "till we all come to unity of the faith and knowledge of Jesus". Its speaking of the entire body, not just "babes".

I am all for following the spirit, but God gives gifts to men. Pastors are gifts to men. Isn't that what you said? There is an earthly ministry to follow. We are given apostles prophets evangelists pastora and teachers. They are men... Not fo)owing them is not following Gods ordained...

Yea... That is where i thought where going. This all is a dialogue about not needing a pastor who is a common man. Its all about not having to follow human leadership. Its going to end up in a plea to follow "the spirit" which really just ends up in every man doing what is right in their own...

Well before we go on, can you tell me why local congregations are excluded if that is what you are saying? Seems to me that the Apostle and Pastor Paul liked the idea.

I am not part of a denomination so I have nothing to add to that part. But I am part of a local denomination. Pastors look over a local denomination. That may be a few mile radius or it may be a more global type of ministry. So what are you getting at if you aren't speaking of local...

I was reading some comments in the beginning of this thread and a few things interested me concerning "the separation of Church and State". 1. This is not an official law or doctrine of the United States. Its not in our Constitution or Bill of Rights. The direct quote was in a private...

Well.... Yes Trump had a reality TV show, but that was the last thing he did in a long list of accomplishments. He was a celebrity billionaire businessman before that. And Reagan? Do you mean the B Movie actor or the governor of California which outproduces probably 80% of countries on its...

I read it.... And Peter says some thing Paul says were hard to understand! My advice for anyone who wants to understand Paul is to read the book of acts. Read it as a historical account. Not a bunch of chapters with verses; but understand the history. As you go, make note of his visits...

Please consider these verses: Job 1:8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Job 1:22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. 42:7 And...

Well, again I don't see it that way. So let me ask a question: what were "his own ways" that were wrong? The way I see it his own ways were trusting the Lord, even if God was going to slay him. In no way was God punishing Job for anything he did.

I never saw what Job said in that way. teeth, and put my life in mine hand? [15] Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him. [16] He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him. I've always saw it as him continuing to...

I rhink we can commision angels, I think they can minister to us, I do believe in gaurdian angels and I believe we will judge angels. But command them? No. We can petition God and he may send forth his servants (angels) to aid us. But this is not commanding anyone. There is an angel in Exo...