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Paul desctibed it as a place. When do you plan to address that? He contrasted Church with house. When do you plan to address that?

Gimmie you verse. I will look at it and see if it condemns all permanent structures and all towers.

I don't have an answer for that Aspen. Wish I did. But I suspect both have a danger. Large Churches are susceptible to public opinion. Go against it and it wont stay large for long. Small Churches -- including house Churches-- can be limiting and cultish (in a bad way).

I am sure you could, but it doesn't mean you are right. We are to seek out our pwn salvation with fear and trembling. Philip 2:12. But do you really want to explore that in depth? Because you will find it requires a preacher. Really? Were? I am not going on your "guess". Nothing in this...

Wrong. 1 cor 11 still referred to the Church as a place and contrasted the Church with houses.

Did I say it was? Did I say he does? No. I will not try again. Why should I? To please you? Look Rollo... If you don't understamd my point thats fine. I can either try to explain it to you or we can move on. But no... I am not going to try again just because it doesn't fit your thoughts...

"Ecclesia" is not a definition. Its a word. Saying the word "church" means "ecclesia" is about as useful as saying the word "ecclesia" means "church". Great! Now where do we go? Defining Church as ecclesia is as useful as defining man as "hombre". It is quite obvious people came together...

You are right. Its not always a smokescreen. I contend it sometimes is but I retract the statement that it is a smokescreen.

Well lets put that to the test: 1 Corinthians 11:18 KJV For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. We have "ye coming together". That is to say "the Church" being one body, many members. And the Church came...

I suppose you could quote something to support this, but not the Bible. The Bible describes the Church as a body of members. It also speaks of a literal gathering place for the Church (a body of members). Go ahead and try to pull a verse out that says a Church is an individual.

No, its not an assumption. It is a fact. Please read the verse in context. 1 Corinthians 11:18 KJV For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. How anyone can say Paul was not speaking of a literal gathering place...

An individual is not a Church. It is no secret that the Church is a body of believers. I an not sufgesring otherwise. But when they met together under leadersgip, the Bible says they have gone ro Church.

Oh really Rollo? Yes, in this present time I might agree with you. But what happened when the "elders" told Moses that he took on too much and they were famous men too? And do we nepotism there? Now God picked Aaron... But it was Moses' brother... And let's face it... He was a flake! Haggai...

I enjoyed Aspen's post recently (#18) because among the many truthful things he said, one of them was they met in the temple. Jesus often teached in a temple. He also taught in other places. It can truly be said that wherever Jesus decided to lay down some doctrine, Church was in session...

Absolutely! And they need to enforce it. While Paul preached the truth to the Galatians and Corinthians, he also threatened to bewail them and not spare the rod. He wasn't one to say, " now this is the truth and you can do whatever you want with it".

Last Sunday. Actually all that was touched on. My Church also preaches about grace too. It talks of the importance of truth, the importance of sound doctrine, the Bible, how corrupt society it, how wonderful Jesus is... The full menu. I understand your anger at churches though. Church...

That is totally unacceptable. Really? Aounds like a new modern day inquisition to me.

Ummm. I don't see a snake. I stoped following this thread closely. So I am not sure what I am looking at or qhat I am supposed to see. But I don't see a snake.

Just to clarify: I didn't call them "Seven Deady Sins". Thats something different from what I listed from Proverbs 6. Still... Yea. That too. 3 is a pretty important number too. There is the Father, son and Holy Ghost; heart, mind and soul; spirit, water and blood. Then we have 3 unclean...

There are alot of people who believe numbers have assigned meanings in the Bible, including myself. The problem is there are disagreements about them. I believe the reason is that they numbers aren't so clear cut across the board. For example (and I am not starting a debate about the number)...