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Thanks Stan, I messaged you. I will try to find the Word Biblical Commentary. I have some of those books, but not the one on 1 Timothy. However, I have quite a few commentaries on this passage. I will quote them below. Note: Not one of the commentators or Greek scholars indicate anything...

Thank you Stan. 1. I guess my point is that there is no significant shift in the language to indicate a new pericope from chapter 2 to chapter 3. I think the impetus is on you to show some significant shift where Paul clearly changes his focus and intended audience in those three sentences...

I'm on my iPad, Stan, so I cannot quote your comments. 1. Of course it addresses the corporate setting. You think Paul is assigning elders and deacons to help husbands manage their households? That is nonsense. I refer you again to 3:15 and would invite you to cross reference some...

Stan, Clearly you are saying the translators got it wrong. You are saying it applies only to wives in the home, and should be translated as """wives" not women. Clearly this makes a huge difference if Paul is exclusively addressing wives in the home setting rather than women in the church...

My point is not that God does not use our ministries, but that our obedience is much more important to God than our sacrifice. The Kingdom of God and its existence does not hinge on your home group, nor my local church. When we look at the churches in Revelation, Jesus was ready to snuff some...

Of course. That is why your argument confuses me. The NIV84, NIV, NRSV, ESV, NASB, KJV, The Message, and every other version I have ever seen translates these passages as "woman" and not "wife." So I guess it is on you to show how all these translators got it wrong. Well if you could point...

Oz, I have not denigrated Deborah. I have affirmed that women served in the role of prophetesses both in the NT and OT. I even am willing to accept their role as deaconesses in the local church and their capacity to teach in informal settings. However, Deborah's example does not eliminate...

Well I guess we have to agree to disagree. I am sure no Bible you have quotes Genesis 3:6 & 13 as "wife." That is the text Paul is referring to and that text is always translated as woman. The context also refers to women's dress directly prior and there is no mention of conduct at home but...

WW, every eight weeks or so, it comes around to my turn to lead the services in our little home church. I generally spend a great deal of time on making myself and my home ready for this responsibility. I also spend at least two afternoons a week doing visitations...the hospital, the old...

"""That's because the CONTEXT is about a man/women partnership, which is marriage, just as Adam and Eve were considered married. The actual word does not need to be there to see the concept, or do you believe Adam & Eve were NOT considered married? 1 Cor 14 is NOT talking about marriage, but...

Well lots of scholars have written books on this issue. And again, Paul never mentions marriage in this context but rather references teaching, submission, and elders in the context of this passage. There is other teaching by Paul on this matter in the corporate church. We have been...

Hey guys, I am not a moderator over this particular section of the website, however, I would suggest you guys move back to the topic of the forum. This seems to have turned into a back and forth about who is being mean and who said what. I suggest you guys just move back to the topic and away...

Could you expound on this? One scholar I read writes, "The Greek word is gunē, which in some contexts can mean “wife” (just as the word for “man,” anēr, in some contexts means “husband).” In this text, however, neither the context nor the Greek idiom allows us to translate these words as “wife”...

yes, but it seems the point you are making is that Paul was not really asking for submission by silence, but rather just was encouraging order and trying to tell women not to be distracting. I just think he would say that if that is all he meant. Yet he does not say that at all. I dont think...

I do not disagree that perhaps questions were disruptive and that was an issue. However, I disagree with the notion that this is the only issue. Otherwise, I think Paul would have just specifically addressed it rather than talking about women not speaking, the Law demanding submission and that...

First, being a judge was more of a civil role. I do not deny any civil roles for women in society. What you do not find is women serving as priests in the Temple or as leaders in the synagogue throughout Jewish history. Again, God made it very clear that women were not to serve in the...

Thanks Tom and Barrd for your kind words. Tom, I just think that most of Scripture can be understood from a plain reading and the more difficult passages often take time, prayer, humility, teachers and diligence to try to understand them. I think this is why we see so many encouragements in...

Stan, I agree there were issues in Corinth. However, there is no historical evidence to suggest this particular congregation was having specific issues with women, or that Paul would disallow any woman to speak as a result of a few problem people..such a concept does seem chauvinistic if that...

For the record, I dont think you have a little head :). I think local leaders today are very similar to the local leaders in the 1st century. For instance, the Jews had synagogues all over the place and there were local men appointed to lead that fellowship (the local group of people that met...

Oz, Thank you for your response. We also have NT examples of women in ministry. Let us not confuse participation in ministry with the elimination of any kind of role distinctions. Since I know argumentation and rhetoric is important to you, I would classify this as a false choice or false...