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  1. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Relax. The warning that some will say Christ is hiding are for before He returns, when, of course, every eye shall see Him. It is not hard to dispel the false confused utterances of cults.
  2. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Your opinion then is noted. Of course a lot happens during the tribulation. That is a surprise? That doesn't help you.
  3. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Him ruling the nations (and they are on earth if you notice) with us for 1000 years is basic clear bible. Calling that a deception makes it crystal clear what spirit you work in. The AC better beware because Jesus will throw the evil little punk into the lake of fire when He returns. One of the...
  4. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The 1000 years is in Scripture six ways from Sunday. Calling it names changes nothing and does not make it go away. Wave all you like it ain't going anywhere.
  5. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Complete fantasy and cultish twistings with no basis in reality or fact then. OK I deal with false doctrines not brethren. For example if we judge an outfit like JW because they don't believe Jesus is God, that would not be judging brethren. If I correct a brazenly false statement like 'we don't...
  6. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Interesting speculation. Too bad the verses you gave have zero to do with supporting that. Very expected. The witnesses do get brought back to life. Nothing to do with all of us migrating to old Jerusalem from heaven. As for angels used in gathering, yes. As for them gathering us to Israel...
  7. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    He comes back then rules for 1000 years with His saints here. Not sure what you have confused beyond recognition here. The verse says people are gathered. It says nothing about some ride to old Jerusalem for all believers. By change the world I think you mean destroys the planet?
  8. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Sorry if I do not share your dark imagination. When Jesus returns He stands on a mountain that splits in two. He rules nations. One does not do that in a pile of charcoal and ash. Maybe ease up on the horror sci fi flicks.
  9. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye...
  10. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You know what? The bible is clear on that. Of course the bible is better than anything evil hollywood can cook up. Why piddle in puddles when they are oceans to swim in? New Jerusalem far surpasses the old one. He prepared the New One for us to be with Him in. Not sure why you rule yourself...
  11. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    We actually are raised UP to be with Him and later come back down to earth. Our home is New Jerusalem. (even though we will rule here) That is Israel. Not us. He already sought us out and brought us home to heaven long before that. Also talking about Israel. Amos 9:14 And I will bring again...
  12. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Jesus told us that a dark time is coming in the end that is worse than anything ever known, The bible explains that is the time of vengeance. He explained "22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled" There was no vengeance in what Jesus read and...
  13. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    That relates to anything discussed here-how?
  14. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I suspect that somewhere in this there is a point. What exactly is it?
  15. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Stick with not addressing the issue all you like.
  16. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Consider the alternatives:) Was He human when He ascended? Are dead people that are saved human? He prepared a place for us. We will be with Him where He is. Guess where that is today?
  17. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    If you want to ignore that glaring fact that there are many promises we can still claim from the old testament and many still unfulfilled propheises go ahead. Don't pretend it is a choice that opposes God.
  18. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Since that is where we go when we die, it is a reality.
  19. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    That is our home for the future and we are just strangers and pilgrims passing through down here. Of course we are not up there yet though. Just a citizen sojourning in a strange country. Galatians 4:21-31 Great, so rather than claiming it means we are with angels and in the heavens now, you...
  20. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I don't know. We can use the process of elimination. What he did not mean is that we are now sitting with thousands of angels in the heavenly city that will be our home one day. I did point out that the comparison between Mt Sinai and the law and Mt Zion was being made. OK, maybe things got...