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  1. BeforeThereWas

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The Bible shows to us that the Second Coming will be at the end of the tribulation after 2/3rds of the Jews are wiped out. Zechariah 12-14 makes that quite clear as well. BTW
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    TWO GOSPELS THAT CANNOT BE THE SAME

    Blessedly, that doesn't erase the distinctions in every facet of the things to come. Notice that the inheritance of the Kingdom land promised ONLY to Abraham and his descendants rather than Gentiles. That's why we as the body of Christ will not inherit the New Earth nor the New Jerusalem. BTW
  3. BeforeThereWas

    TWO GOSPELS THAT CANNOT BE THE SAME

    Sorry about that. I clicked the wrong "Reply" on a post not related. BTW
  4. BeforeThereWas

    TWO GOSPELS THAT CANNOT BE THE SAME

    It's interesting that you quoted me out of context knowing you could not refute the rest of the context. MM
  5. BeforeThereWas

    Age of Accountability

    Still bits and pieces. That's ok. These topics are indeed interesting. MM
  6. BeforeThereWas

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: The same man who wrote those other references you applied out of their contexts also said this, which means what it says, even within its context. Personally, I prefer to be where the...
  7. BeforeThereWas

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    That is nothing but replacement theology garbage. Sorry, but Israel will indeed be raised up at the Second Coming of Christ in order to rule the world under the Kingship of Christ Jesus. Jesus stated His purpose to fulfill the Law, not to cast away Israel. Where do you people get this...
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    Age of Accountability

    Please keep in mind that Jesus stated that to Jews; specifically His disciples whom He empowered with many things that were not given to others. Context is vastly important in this regard. My presentation, overall, points only to indications, not something I will declare and absolute doctrine...
  9. BeforeThereWas

    In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

    That's a non answer...likely because you have nothing with which to defend your position on this. Ok. I just wanted to see you say it. You believe in YOUR mind that you have effectively defended your position, which is no proof at all. It is what it is. BTW
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    In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

    Withdrawal of the seal is what I stated...the SEAL of Holy Spirit. You failure to actually quote me is itself suspect, but now you have clarification of what I'm saying. Show to me any verse where the SEAL of Holy Spirit upon all the saved is ever withdrawn. BTW
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    In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

    Then copy and paste those proofs, if there are any, paste them here so that we can have a structured study of the subject here for those who are onlookers here and now. BTW
  12. BeforeThereWas

    In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

    I specifically stated to you the SEAL of Holy Spirit, and you're avoiding that. Why? I never said we never sin under sealed salvation. I have yet to see anyone state that in this forum, so why bring that up? It's nothing but a straw man argument of rabbit holes in the field to trip up those who...
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    In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

    You're avoiding the issue. To say that one can lose his salvation is indeed works-based salvation, no matter how you try to slice and dice it, meander around corners of avoidance, the fact remains that if one must apply personal effort to retain salvation, then it must also have been earned on...
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    If churches are failing, how can they be improved

    You truly have mastered the skill of ad hominem...which isn't really a skill per se since it comes naturally to most, but it is what it is. BTW
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    In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

    Like I said before, nobody here has presented even one verse whereby there is any mention of the seal of Holy Spirit being withdrawn nor too weak to remain upon the one whom had been sealed. If you think there is such a verse, then please quote it here. BTW
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    In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

    If you think you can possibly do the works to retain your salvation, then go for it. Do your best. I'll cheer you on as you try to accomplish it. BTW
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    If churches are failing, how can they be improved

    All I can say is that Jesus sent the Comforter into our midst in this life in His place here on this earth. He had to depart so that the Comforter could be here with us. Why that is, I don't know. What I do know is that His presence is manifested through Holy Spirit. The word of God says what it...
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    If churches are failing, how can they be improved

    The answer, of course, is because Yah allowed it to be this way. If you don't like what He is allowing to transpire, then perhaps you should try to shove Him off His Throne and take over yourself... I would not recommend harboring such an attitude, however, because it gets one nowhere... You...
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    TWO GOSPELS THAT CANNOT BE THE SAME

    It's a very simple thing to read Acts 2 where Peter stated that the Jews must be water baptized unto the remission of their sins for salvation, and then compare that to 1 Cor. 15 where Paul's gospel said nothing about the requirement for water baptism to the Gentiles for remission of sins for...
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    If churches are failing, how can they be improved

    Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. It's not about standardizing or anything else in any of all the man-made institutions that most call their "church."...