In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

[BeforeThereWas]

What I have established... is how many brethren HAVE SLID AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL WRITTEN BIBLE SCRIPTURE, and instead have allowed men's doctrines to put your fallacy theories into their minds, turning them into followers of men instead of followers of God in His written Word.

Once again, 1 John 1 reveals we are STILL TO REPENT OF FUTURE SIN WE MAY COMMIT.

In Luke 11 Jesus gave us the prayer to pray, which INCLUDES ASKING FORGIVENESS OF SIN.

In 1 Timothy 1 and 1 Corinthians 6, Apostle Paul showed that brethren who commit those sins he listed there SHALL NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Apostle Paul taught that MANY will become 'apostates' when the "man of sin" shows up in Jerusalem proclaiming himself as GOD, working lying signs and wonders.

In Matthew 7, Jesus said not everyone who will say to Him in that day of His return, "Lord, Lord", will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, for many will claim how they did many wonderful works in His Name, cast out devils in His Name, yet He will say to them, "Get away from Me, ye that work iniquity." Their iniquity is their STILL UNFORGIVEN SINS THEY REFUSED TO REPENT TO HIM ABOUT, PER 1 JOHN 1. THEY DID NOT CONTINUE THEIR DAILY WALK WITH JESUS IN REPENTANCE.

Per John in 1 John 1, he declared those who CLAIM THEY HAVE NO SIN CALL JESUS A LIAR, AND THERE IS NO TRUTH IN THEM.

Like I said before, nobody here has presented even one verse whereby there is any mention of the seal of Holy Spirit being withdrawn nor too weak to remain upon the one whom had been sealed. If you think there is such a verse, then please quote it here.

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[Davy]

If you think you can possibly do the works to retain your salvation, then go for it. Do your best. I'll cheer you on as you try to accomplish it.

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Ah... you well know... what I'm saying has NOTHING to do with any idea of Salvation by works! You're just trying to make EXCUSES for heeding men's false OSAS doctrine so you don't have to REPENT of future sins you may commit! Sound like you don't LIKE the idea of being under the Authority of Jesus Christ with WALKING WITH HIM the way you believe. You might try and read up on the Galatians 5 Chapter by Apostle Paul also, where he covered this walking by The Spirit matter.

 

[Davy]

Like I said before, nobody here has presented even one verse whereby there is any mention of the seal of Holy Spirit being withdrawn nor too weak to remain upon the one whom had been sealed. If you think there is such a verse, then please quote it here.

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And still... you prefer to MAKE UP YOUR OWN IDEAS away from what the actual Bible Scriptures teach!

The OSAS doctrine of man isn't about The Holy Spirit being 'withdrawn'. It is about the believer HAVING STOPPED HEEDING... THE HOLY SPIRIT. Thus it is the BELIEVER than can cut off The Holy Spirit unction from working in their lives! How exactly does that work?

It's simple. When one believes man's false OSAS theory, they are told they cannot have sin anymore, and thus no longer have further need to repent of sin. (And I heard a preacher teach that on the radio just the other day! Moody Radio I think, a Pre-trib Rapture network). And what that means those on OSAS no longer EXAMINE themselves for sins they may commit. That false doctrine instead tells them they are ALREADY COVERED for all future sin by Christ's Sacrifice. But 1 John 1 doesn't tell us that. And when Jesus included the asking forgiveness of sin in the prayer given to His disciples and to His Church per Luke 11, that also shows OSAS is a fluke.

You should have easily understood that per New Testament Scripture, like Galatians 5, but you obviously are listening to some foreigner only claiming to teach from The Bible with your foreign doctrines.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Ah... you well know... what I'm saying has NOTHING to do with any idea of Salvation by works! You're just trying to make EXCUSES for heeding men's false OSAS doctrine so you don't have to REPENT of future sins you may commit! Sound like you don't LIKE the idea of being under the Authority of Jesus Christ with WALKING WITH HIM the way you believe. You might try and read up on the Galatians 5 Chapter by Apostle Paul also, where he covered this walking by The Spirit matter.

You're avoiding the issue. To say that one can lose his salvation is indeed works-based salvation, no matter how you try to slice and dice it, meander around corners of avoidance, the fact remains that if one must apply personal effort to retain salvation, then it must also have been earned on the basis of personal effort.

Who have you ever known who allegedly lost their salvation, and how did you prove it? Talking only about possibilities fails to script a legitimate defense for the LOS (loss of salvation).

I'm intrigued by whatever defense of your position you think there might be from scripture...not from the things spoken to Israel when we were under the Kingdom Gospel, but all of us under the Gospel of Grace.

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[BeforeThereWas]

And still... you prefer to MAKE UP YOUR OWN IDEAS away from what the actual Bible Scriptures teach!

The OSAS doctrine of man isn't about The Holy Spirit being 'withdrawn'. It is about the believer HAVING STOPPED HEEDING... THE HOLY SPIRIT. Thus it is the BELIEVER than can cut off The Holy Spirit unction from working in their lives! How exactly does that work?

It's simple. When one believes man's false OSAS theory, they are told they cannot have sin anymore, and thus no longer have further need to repent of sin. (And I heard a preacher teach that on the radio just the other day! Moody Radio I think, a Pre-trib Rapture network). And what that means those on OSAS no longer EXAMINE themselves for sins they may commit. That false doctrine instead tells them they are ALREADY COVERED for all future sin by Christ's Sacrifice. But 1 John 1 doesn't tell us that. And when Jesus included the asking forgiveness of sin in the prayer given to His disciples and to His Church per Luke 11, that also shows OSAS is a fluke.

You should have easily understood that per New Testament Scripture, like Galatians 5, but you obviously are listening to some foreigner only claiming to teach from The Bible with your foreign doctrines.

I specifically stated to you the SEAL of Holy Spirit, and you're avoiding that. Why? I never said we never sin under sealed salvation. I have yet to see anyone state that in this forum, so why bring that up? It's nothing but a straw man argument of rabbit holes in the field to trip up those who dare to walk through it. I'm not going to walk that field. Let's deal with what I have actually stated to you rather than cast all these red herring about in an attempt to distract away from the questions you continue to avoid.

Please explain to us how the Blood of Christ is sufficient for saving a man guilty of a million murders in the past before the point of salvation, but is not sufficient after salvation and stealing a candy bar at the local store, running out in front of a car, killed, and then...

Can you do that? I'm hoping you will stop the shuck and jive nonsense and simply state what it is you believe, where you got it from within scripture, and then perhaps we can go from there.

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[Davy]

You're avoiding the issue.

Oh, I have well proven by the many Bible Scriptures I have shown that I definitely AM NOT THE ONE AVOIDING THE ISSUES.

 

[Davy]

I specifically stated to you the SEAL of Holy Spirit, and you're avoiding that.

Now you are LYING, because you said to me about the WITHDRAWAL of The Holy Spirit.

Those on man's false OSAS ARE NOT SEALED WITH GOD'S SEALING, simply because they have CUT OFF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEIR LIVES! They don't LISTEN NOR HEED THE HOLY SPIRIT, because one of the jobs of THE HOLY SPIRIT is to CONVICT us of SIN when we mess up! OSAS says instead you have NO SIN, NO NEED TO EXAMINE YOURSELF, NO NEED TO REPENT. Only a DEVIL could come up with such a false doctrine.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Oh, I have well proven by the many Bible Scriptures I have shown that I definitely AM NOT THE ONE AVOIDING THE ISSUES.

Then copy and paste those proofs, if there are any, paste them here so that we can have a structured study of the subject here for those who are onlookers here and now.

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[BeforeThereWas]

Now you are LYING, because you said to me about the WITHDRAWAL of The Holy Spirit.

Those on man's false OSAS ARE NOT SEALED WITH GOD'S SEALING, simply because they have CUT OFF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEIR LIVES! They don't LISTEN NOR HEED THE HOLY SPIRIT, because one of the jobs of THE HOLY SPIRIT is to CONVICT us of SIN when we mess up! OSAS says instead you have NO SIN, NO NEED TO EXAMINE YOURSELF, NO NEED TO REPENT. Only a DEVIL could come up with such a false doctrine.

Withdrawal of the seal is what I stated...the SEAL of Holy Spirit. You failure to actually quote me is itself suspect, but now you have clarification of what I'm saying. Show to me any verse where the SEAL of Holy Spirit upon all the saved is ever withdrawn.

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[Davy]

Then copy and paste those proofs, if there are any, paste them here so that we can have a structured study of the subject here for those who are onlookers here and now.

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I've already given enough Bible Witness on the matter. If you won't listen to what is written in God's Word about it, then of course you won't listen to me quoting that Bible evidence. Debate over.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

I've already given enough Bible Witness on the matter. If you won't listen to what is written in God's Word about it, then of course you won't listen to me quoting that Bible evidence. Debate over.

That's a non answer...likely because you have nothing with which to defend your position on this. Ok. I just wanted to see you say it. You believe in YOUR mind that you have effectively defended your position, which is no proof at all. It is what it is.

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[Rockerduck]

So now you want to 'insert' Calvinism into The Bible? That's just another set of men's doctrines by those who don't understand what all God's Word teaches. You should study ALL of Apostle Paul's New Testament Epistles, especially the parts where Paul rebukes the apostates who fall away from Christ. Thus Calvinism falls flat when listening to Apostle Paul.

(For those brethren who don't understand when their church system is bombarding them with doctrines from Calvin, he believed that all that are going to be saved were called to be saved, and can never lose their Salvation, i.e., never fall away. It's is a belief that once anyone confesses Jesus Christ as their Savior that they can never fall away or lose their Salvation, which actually means those in Christ MADE NO FREE WILL DECISION TO BELIEVE ON JESUS. That theory is a theory from men, and is not written in God's Word, certainly not by any of the Apostles.)

That's funny calling Jesus a Calvinist. Jesus said it, not me.