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    All the ELECT please stand up

    I agree that we receive the HS but the question is HOW? I do not believe we receive a direct and personal indwelling. I believe we today, are indwelled with the Spirit in the same way we are indwelled with the father and the son. Through the word as I demonstrated through EPH 5 and COL 3...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    You wouldn’t even know about Christ if it wasn’t for the book. You wouldn’t even know about the Spirit if it wasn’t for the book. So, YES one must know the book to truly know Christ. John said... John 20:30-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    It does not say....man can be saved by Gods choosing. You changed the word of God. You do that quite a bit. What does the word say about people like that? Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    It does NOT NOT say that. Nowhere does it say...man CANNOT choose Christ. You are again proving how corrupt you are with the text. Everyone should dismiss you based on this point alone.
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. What does the above passage have to do with anything? This passage talks about having the Spirit of God and of Christ. But...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    Where does the word EVER say that man CANNOT choose Jesus? These are your exact words.
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    Nowhere in these passages does it say that God does the all work and you do none of it. Do you CHOOSE to fulfill the command or does God make you? God gave Adam and Eve the command to abstain from eating from a certain tree. Did God then turn around and make them eat from the very tree he...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    So Cain killed Abel because God made him do it? According to you we are just pawns in Gods sick little game of chess. This isn’t the God I serve. Joshua a man of God told the people CHOOSE whom you will serve. Jos 24. This makes no sense if it is God only who does the choosing and we are...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    Why didn’t you include vs 25? John 14:25-26 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    I didn’t think you had any Greek scholarship. Mounce is a Greek scholar and I posted his translation. Since you have purified · your souls by · obedience to the truth Let’s look at Jn 6... You post 29 but I’ve never seen you add 27 and 28 to it. Let’s look at it in context. John 6:27-28...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    Why didn’t God give Adam and Eve a heart to obey? They were the most perfect creation in all the world. Everything else was good but Adam and Eve were “very good”. But according to you and your people God’s “very good” was not good enough. Nice one.. I’d hate to have to defend this doctrine.
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    Nowhere does the Bible say this. I notice you are not citing scriptural support for this nonsense. no I don’t. God does... Christ is the author of eternal salvation to ALL THAT OBEY HIM. Can one receive eternal salvation BEFORE obedience? No. Not according to God. Can one receive...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    Again...do you have some Greek scholarship we need to know about. You are giving me “Greek” but I gave you the translation from “Greek scholars”. Now, are you a “Greek Scholar”? If so, where and how much study did you receive? Jn 15:26 is for us today? Really? Let’s read in context which...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    This is correct. And you know why this is correct? Because Paul tells us... For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, So why aren’t ALL MEN saved? Because most choose not to obey God’s will and accept the grace he has provided.
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    What a horrible analogy. Why do people want to take human interaction and apply it to God as if it is the same? When God says....he that believes and is baptized shall be saved. This is a fact. If a person believes and is baptized they will be saved. When God makes a promise it will be...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    Where’s the one dealing with the forgiveness of sins? You said you had dealt with that. I don’t see that one. I dealt with your Greek in 1 pet 1 in post #1082. I showed where both Mounce and young’s literal translation show that it is the individual who “obeys to the purification of the...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    You still didn’t answer. Why won’t you answer? And no! Yo have not dealt with the passages I cited in the past. Salvation is the forgiveness of sins. When you find the point at which a persons sins are forgiven you will find the point at which they are SAVED! If I’m wrong then straighten...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    You are just like the rest. All of this rambling but you won’t answer my question..... WHEN or AT WHAT POINT IS A PERSONS SINS FORGIVEN? The NT is SPECIFIC about that point. The NT is clear and plain about WHEN a persons sins are forgiven. A person CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT be one of the...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    These statements are false. Jesus, who is Deity, said... Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.” Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them He could not say this if...
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    All the ELECT please stand up

    I’ll ask again....what did you do to become one of the elect? If it’s “nothing” (which is what it seems you are saying) then you are not one of the elect.