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In reference to Betchevy's Jeremiah Post. This post also contains my terms for continuing in this conversation. In order to get the full understanding of this passage, one ought to, as with the 2Peter passage, begin at the least, at the start of the chapter so as to know to whom this address is...

I have not abandoned this thread... I may not be able post anything today

On for a brief moment. Bet, Kriss, the way that you are defending your argument is by telling me that I am not able to grasp the meaning of the text because I have to look for something that isn't plainly there. What? Is God the author of confusion? If God means for the mountains to be nations...

Bet, I shall reply to your post when I can properly study through the passage that you have referred to. Tonight, I am able and willing to discuss 2 Peter 3 intelligently. If you have any questions concerning that, please let me know. I am not ignoring you, and I am not saying that you cannot go...

Man aliveSo do tell, this teaching, which I have found no where else, that we were in existence and are saved because we did not rebell, thus being predestined because God "forknew us"... I have a few questions. The Bible tells us that God forknew us before the foundation of the world. Does this...

If God has not given you eyes to see or ears to hear.or desire to learn his knowledge. there is no point arguing. You mean, if I am not willing to subscribe to the additional revelation to the Word of God that you have claimed to have receive either by your superior understanding of the word of...

The Jews were those who knew the prophets in the past not the Greeks they could not be remembering what they never knewSo yes we do have to establish the truth of who this is written to. Peter is writing to the elect, those who are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, those who are Christians, as...

Betchevy, I reject the notion that we cannot understand the Word of God without going to the original languages. I love going to the Greek and the Hebrew, but what I hold in my hands when I hold a modern translation is just as much the Word of God. But this is not the topic of discussion. I...

Bet, I shall reply to your post when I can properly study through the passage that you have referred to. Tonight, I am able and willing to discuss 2 Peter 3 intelligently. If you have any questions concerning that, please let me know.

My argument stands where it is, and I have clearly shown that this chapter is referring to the flood of Noah's day, not some supposed judgment of the angels. We did not exist before in "spiritual bodies". I would so much like to see your scriptural reference for this, Kriss, thesuperjag, and Bet.

Peter was written to the Christians... We are not debating to whom it was written. Let us not get sidetracked in this thread so soon, otherwise, this is pointless.

It is incredibly important that when one speaks of the word of God that they do so in context, and not in drawing out single verses to make a point that the context in which that verse was written does not support. I will show here, in this brief commentary on chapter 3 of 2 Peter, that this...

We could just copy our entire conversation here from the shoutbox.

I will not debate this issue at this time, Thesuperjag. I understand your past, and I myself have come from quite a rocky background, and believed for some time that the KJB was the only version that could be the Word of God. It is a good version. I would be careful to say that one must use this...

This is the problem that we run into when we try to understand the nature of God, which the names of God play a part into. John 8:58, as you have mentioned B'midbar, is an excellant example. Here Christ is not just claiming to have existed before Abraham, but rather that He is the very I AM that...

Please PM me concerning the issue with Epo.

I will limit my discussion to Epouraniosis alone in this thread, my apologies, but I am interested in his responses alone on this subject at this point. May the Lord bless.

1. "This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel." there is nothing in the words to tell us what is "this" and what is "that". The word "this" is emphatic and the word "But", with which Peter's argument begins, sets what follows in contrast. This shows that the quotation was used to rebut...

I was reading the thread, but by the time I got through with it and had worked up my reply, it was gone. This is, by and large, a post specifically for Epouraniosis, and I think the issues brought up within it transcend what was spoken specifically within the work that was done in the referred...

(epouraniois;9447) hello writer4hisglory, The time of Israel's choosing can be readily seen in Genesis, which is the record of events which occurred regarding Israel Not only regarding Israel, but also regarding the entire human race. If you recall that God told the serpant that He (God) would...