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Yeah, you guys are saying the same thing. I'm totally confused as to what the argument is about.

Most definitely.

[ Yes, it is the Lord who gives the increase should he so will a church to grow.

Totally off. If the Lord gives the increase as David Boyer was saying, it is to his glory. Nothing wrong with mega-churches who have large buildings and truly worship the Lord in spirit and in truth. But if a church puts the effort into expanding/improving the building in the hopes that it will...

Greetings, Brother Roy! I hope you will find good and edifying conversation here. May it help you build a stronger relationship with our Lord.

It's not in God's word that he was divorced, it's definitely an argument from silence. And I don't think anyone ever argued that he was definitely divorced, just that he could have been. No where does it mention that he was ever unmarried. Not really a big deal, we just don't know for sure. It's...

So was Samuel. The only examples the other side provides are Paul (who may have been divorced) and Jesus who will always follow the wise counsel of God. I'm just not sure how I can be more clear that it is definitely a demand on the Catholic ministry that is nowhere found in the word of God (at...

The demand is for the minister to be single. The calling is to be a minister. No where in the God's word does he demand that a minister be single. I'm not sure how much more I can say this. I know that going into the ministry is a calling and one must determine if they are fit for the position...

It does seem to. However it appears to be referring to the work of the church to bring sinners to repentance and in this way they receive forgiveness from God. The verse has a cross-reference to Matthew 16:19 and 18:18, both talking about what being given the keys of heaven and what you loose on...

It seems that we're all talking about the same thing here regarding justification but just calling it different words. No one I've read here believes that works gain us salvation, but that they come from faith. The only disagreement I see is that some here believe one can lose their...

I'm not sure why that post I replied to Bread of life is so messed up. I tried to edit it, but it won't let me fix it. So, sorry. Must be something going on with this phone. It often acts glitchy.

Actually it is based on Scripture. There is nothing in it that disqualifies a married man to the ministry. Not a verse in God's word that says such a thing. And I've always readily agreed that the Lord points to it as a wise decision, one that would free us to more ably serve our Lord...

It shouldn't be something they even think about going into the ministry. Your tone is a bit too abrasive for me to continue conversation with you. If you wish to believe I'm wrong, I have no issue with that. Disrespectful posts are not on my agenda though. Wish you peace.

It seems to be an understanding that only God can forgive sins because he's the one who is sinned against. It's not anyone's else's place to forgive a sin against God. Like if someone beat up my Mom, is my next-door neighbor going to say to me that she's forgiven the assailant's sin against my...

Good advice, for someone who adheres to the idea that the Bible is partly a work of fallible man. Of course, it's only those parts that don't agree with the false teachings.

While I do not adhere to the way that OSAS is applied most often (once you are saved you can willfully sin and it doesn't matter; what that does show is that you do not know God and are in fact not saved at all though you may have thought you were as Jesus explains in the parable of the sower)...

Uh, not really. It wasn't a demand, it was a choice. Singleness in the Catholic ministry is most definitely a demand, no matter how much you word it as a choice. A choice in name only. In application it is demand. Saying something is something does not make it what it is. That is the only logic...

Well, if you can't see it I can't help you there. Since transgressions are against God, only God can forgive them. Maybe one day you'll understand. But, I'm not able to help you any further along that route. Best wishes.

Relational subordination yes--the Son must obey the Father. As long as it is not a substance subordination, like in some essential, qualitative way the Son is less God than the Father. The Father, Son and Spirit are all coequal as God in the Godhead. I agree with Carl's statement that we are...

The choice should be going into the ministry (or calling rather); it should not depend on the marital status (as it definitely seems to overwhelmingly do with ministers in the Catholic church at least in the states here. I know of at least one priest who left that position because he got...