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That wasn't very nice, was it?

So, yeah, let's talk about this fresh, new topic. Maybe if we cover it with water and put in the fridge overnight it'll perk up like celery - lol. :P

@St. SteVen, My auto-correct won't let me type derailing - lol (it did that time, but it usually changes it to detailing—like de-tailing - lolol :P). :)

Didn't get enough signatures to get on the ballot in some heavenly states, I guess. Them's the breaks for an independent candidate, you know. We're gonna get in trouble for derailing this thread. I guess I should stop and take a popcorn break or maybe have some cactus candy - lol. :)

Unless they simply have yet to figure out that they're actually electists who have just been ignorantly hanging out with the spiritual riff-raff. .

I suppose this is just part of another way of saying that those who see the obvious impotence of the god here described are simply blinded by their own non-electness. .

It's not for our benefit, unless we're actually an "us" instead of a "them." Or is it the other way around? I guess it depends on your perspective. Anyway, my experience is that you're not considered a good member of "us" unless you're willing to rub your "us"ness in the face of "them." Am I...

I'm sure that was a lot of comfort to you back when you were just a troglodyte Arminian. Now it's just fun, "us-and-them" talking points. Go in peace, ye of the Elect. .

It's understandable. Some tragedy is so ridiculous that a man's funny bone is bound to get the best of him once in a while. :)

Of what use are distinctions like "Arminian" and "Calvinist" if we're all just waiting around to see which side of the election fence we finally wake up on? .

You lost me there, Bro. But I don't really like talking about forum members to other forum members, anyway. Not that I've never been guilty of that, but I like to try, at least, to avoid it. :)

I was a Calvinist for 18 years before even knowing what it meant or was called, if that helps. I didn't even know there was anything to object to with regard to predestination. Probably millions of folks are walking around today without a thought in their heads about some people being born for...

Not sure what a forum member's popularity has to do with the discussion? :)

Brother, the best Bible to read is the one you can get your hands on. In this arena of operation, most people are perishing from starvation—not food tampering. Virtually no one is sinking into perdition over manuscript and translation issues. Most people don't have the capacity or facility to...

I have never seen such a wonderful display of uncharitable idolizing of biblical scholars. At best, good biblical scholarship is an effective means/tool at God's disposal to preserve His Word for the purpose of saving souls for whom Christ died. But here, the abuse of good men's studious...

It's enough to make a person want to get saved. .

And this is why I cannot take you seriously. .

You know I love you, Steve, but for me, this complicates more than it clarifies. :P

As usual? .

Honestly, though, I don't care what kind of label you slap on it. Either it comes from God or from man. :)