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You seem to be insisting on some kind of immortality that needs no means of sustenance aside from the abstract idea of said immortality. Correct me if I'm wrong. .

I guess my point is, I can't afford to have to rely on too much outside the Word itself to warrant my faith in it. .

...unless they were never meant to be apart from the tree. At the most basic level of the argument: Food is not the only thing animals need from nature to sustain life. .

Hogwash

Regardless of whatever conclusions you might have drawn, I do not believe death was ever intended for human beings, nor for lower animals. .

Not sure how this proves that animals were born to die from the very beginning... .

This post seems thoughtful but, to be honest, this isn't my first rodeo with you and I'm not interested in over-complicating a simple issue. God wants His children to be without doubt as to His justice and mercy. This is demonstrable all throughout Scripture. It's been my experience that folks...

How could it possibly be either verified or debunked beyond question? .

What then makes Christianity, in its entirety, exempt from debatability? (Sorry, but it was bound to come to this. :)) Is anyone really unclear as to whom Paul is referring here? Btw, I've never been much of an "original sin" emphasizer. It happened, sure, but I'm never going to be held...

I think the difficulty arises from making too much of metaphors. The Adam of Genesis is real. The Adam of Romans 5 is metaphorical. I honestly believe that confusion ensues from a (perhaps inadvertent) tendency of some folks to over-complicate things rather than to simplify them as much as...

Just off the top of my head, I'm not familiar with any such problem. :) .

I think it's a mistake to assume that the Bible includes a complete and exhaustive account of everything that occured adjacent to the fall. It's also fairly clear that there's some overlap/disorder of chronology after the initial creation account. Perhaps you're being a bit too literalist -...

Critics of the Investigative Judgment never seem to say anything about the ending part of the cited article which is practically the key to understanding the doctrine: It is a divine courtesy, to which I can't, for the life of me, understand folks are so anxious to object. Unless they somehow...

So we get to 2 Peter before we find out the "cyclical" (read: life-and-death) nature of pre-fall animals? That doesn't sound right—at all. Death was never part of God's perfect creation. I used to try to imagine how sin began. And, at one point, I had nearly decided that it was a product of...

To be fair, from where else would you expect the durable/essential (assuming one acknowledges the existence of such a thing) ones to come? :) .

If the Genesis account isn't literal, and human beings evolved in a gradual, slow process from lower life forms, then there's is no human (or even Angelic, in the case of Lucifer) culpability for the existence of sin, which effectively makes God the deliberate author of sin—a deal-breaker in my...

In the context of ancient culture, a female divorcee could conceivably have been a more cruel fate than being widowed, unless the hardness of heart produced quite considerable abuse. Think about it. :) .

E.M. Bounds's books on prayer are excellent. Andrew Murray's works are very good as well. Just a couple of places to start exploring. CCEL.org used to be a good resource. Many books are free or $1 for Kindle. :) .

Check it out: https://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/Nice If you're inclined to read books about the Bible, I highly recommend ones written or translated during the Second Great Awakening (roughly throughout the 1800s). You'll see a lot less of folks superimposing their opinions and...

I don't expect it, either, except from myself. The word doesn't even have the same meaning it had 200 years ago - lol. .