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The catholic have taken credit for it but there is no proof they did. Even most Adventist scholars agree on that. I think the christians did it to seperate themsels from Jews right or wrong. Thet certainly couldnt worship with thw Jews in synagogs.

I get it Wacca I have learned fearing God is very important.

There isnt any where in the bible where the sabbath was changed. Man changed it for what ever reasons. Saturday is the true Jewish sabbath. Certain christians still worship on SAturday, and most worship on Sundays.

I Kinda feel the same way Kriss, but if you listen to his tape he makes sence with scripture. It doesnt take away anything from the futurist. It reinforces bad things are going to happen. If u listen to the first couple of tapes on Dan or Rev you will get his drift. He is a smart guy respected...

We have been debating prophecy and fighting and getting mad and throwing fits in the name of Jesus for years. My challenge is for anyone to listen to Dr. Desmond Ford audios on Daniel and Revelation and then come back here and revisit the way we have been debating prophesy. Pray about it. I...

Listen to his videos. I think anyone who loves prophesy will find it very eye opening. I certainly did. Most great scholars dont by into the futurest intrepertation. I just found that out recently. There is alot of wild speculation out there with the futurest point of view. No one can agree on...

(samy;45893) But even the prophets of the Old Testaments spoke things about the future that they did not understand. We are not in error when we are futurists. Only when we abandon the proper Biblical interpretation of those symbols. Take for example the woman laboring to give birth in Rev 12...

As far as Revelation is concerned the language is symbolic not literal. Every word that is a symbol is found in the old testement. We dont have to go outside the bible to intereput the bible even in future history (Gog and Magog meaning Russia for example) It doesnt mean Russia. At the time of...

I dont know but when you understand the mystry of Gods oneness it is truly awsome.Kriss describe it well with the egg.

http://desford.org.au/Hi everone,I have been on this site for a while and I reall enjoy it. How ever I challenge you all to look at prophesy in a different way.Instead of literal or futuristic. This desmond Ford teaches it as symbolic language in witch was understood by everyone at the time of...

Most all of the top theologins agree that Judas inJohn 17:12 agree that Judas was called the son of peridition.

All the language in Revelation is symbolic. It is all mentioned in the old testament. Everyone alive at the time of its writing knew what the symbolic language meant. Thats why I have changed my thinking from the futurist view point that most people here have.So if every thing written in the New...

(Jerusalem Junkie;45195) I give up. Thanks Kriss. Because of conditional prophesy as the Jews didnt do certain things certain prophesy would not come to pass. All Isreal will be saved (Converted Isreal that is)

Some people will be blinded until the end.

conditional prophesy!

And what are we Christians going to do about it?????? This is where the church could be important.

There is going to be a world false religion that is going to have a big influence on government that is going to persecute real believers in last days. This is probably the prelude to that happening. Scary and exciting.

The two witnesses are the church and Jesus!!!!!!!!!!

(forgivenWretch;43819) Well Duh....This is the New Christians Forum! Your one of the reasons I am writing about. Taking scripture out of context especially in a newby forem

(Kooks;43733) I am sorry but I find the tone of your comments (highlighted for you) slightly offensive. I have accepted God and the salvation that He offers through His Son, I will not attempt to prove this to you as I do not need to, and through my desire to do right by God I wondered if I...