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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    “God will provide for himself the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.” Gen 22:8. God would have a Son (Seed of the Woman) who would not be from the seed of man. How true these words are! Only God could provide a lamb of such a nature to atone for the sins of humanity (John 1:29). Abraham...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I never claimed it was. The Original Gospel is 2000 years old and older if you consider it was preached to Abraham! Galatians 3:8 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Brakelite Let's now explore the principles of the Sabbath law together: Isaiah 58:13-14: "If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the LORD honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways...
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You miss the point Brakelite (again) The sabbath was one literal day, one day! But was it? Mark 2:27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. What Jesus is conveying is that God created the Sabbath...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    As you are well aware, the victory had to be achieved through the Son of Man, not by someone merely pretending to be him. Christ is either the true fulfillment of all the Old Testament shadows, types, and antitypes, or He is not. This question goes to the core of your understanding of who...
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Another question...why would God put Abraham through Genesis 22 if Abraham was not to learn that God would actually do the same BUT go through with it? F2F
  7. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    In Colossians 1:18, for example, when it says that Christ is "the head of the body, the church," and "that in all things He might have the preeminence," it means that Christ is most important and above all others in the Body and in all creation (except his Creator the Almighty God). The...
  8. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    Don't hurt - use the search funtion top right hand corner...works a treat!
  9. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    It seems like one of those overly loose translations, like The Message Bible. It's really best to avoid using that version!
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Brakelite Maybe you will begin to appreciate how "special" the Lord Jesus Christ is? Christ is the real and perfect fulfillment of all that was symbolized in the Old Testament. He is the true light foreshadowed by the symbolic light that appeared at the beginning (John 1:9), the true bread...
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    "The beginning of the creation of God" This refers to the creation of God’s Elohim in the Age to come (Luke 20:36), with Christ being the first or the origin. Plain & Simple so the Simple can understand it. F2F
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Said respecfully, there is too much error to deal with so lets start with Christ being Lord of the Sabbath. This is Almighty Gods Work and None other!!! This is why the ceremonies (Law) have ceased because their ultimate fulfilment has been revealed! “Lord of Sabbath” "For the Son of Man is...
  13. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    Not at the moment - there are others in this forum more receptive to truth than you. Grab a spade and start digging! "till the ground from where you taken!"
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Brakelite Walk through these points for your consideration: The Son is "appointed heir" (vs. 2), meaning his position of power and authority is granted to him, not inherent. It is through "inheritance" (vs. 4) that he has received a more excellent name, not by being, as often assumed, a...
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You are still missing the argument Brakelite. The argument in Hebrews 1 is that the Son has inherited a name superior to that of the angels (Hebrews 1:4). The reference to the Mosaic "heavens and earth" serves as a strong point, since angels were the ones who administered this system (READ Acts...
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Should be enough to show you how Almighty God Created the Physical and Spiritual Realms. It was the Lord in God's Mind by which He has done all things in this Creation. F2F
  17. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    Maybe you have been distracted or merely lagging behind in the discussion. You might even be boarder diversionary debater??? As I've said go back and look up all me posts and you will find your answers F2F
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Thoughts are with you and your wife. When you return the lesson will await you... Then I (Asaph) entered the santurary of God’s temple, and understood the destiny of the wicked Ps 73:17. What did Asaph see in the Santurary of the Temple? Answer: The covering of the Altar made from those...
  19. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    Enjoy your games David - as the saying goes ignorance is bliss!