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You are right, it is a SPIRITUAL re-birth of your spirit for salvation. Not the salvation of your soul and not the salvation of your body. And it is your spirit which got SAVED through being DECLARED RIGHTOUSNESS through the JUSTIFICATION of IMPUTED RIGHTOUSNESS. That is the pattern of...

Study your Bible as I have and learn the SCRIPTURAL DIFFERENCE between being “OF the faith” versus being “IN the faith” and you will learn that which your lens cannot see. I am a citizen OF THE United States even if I am not ‘walking IN THE United States’. IOW the Bible proves you wrong with...

Scripture doesn't say "just grace". It says; EPH 2:8* For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God -- 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. So, here's my take, it doesn't just take 'grace' which is not "undeserved...

You surprised me Marks. If "one sin disqualifies you from knowing God", then how did you ever GET TO KNOW GOD, in the first place? Think about that question and get back to me. :contemplate:

Don’t you see that i am pointing out the error of both sides? There’s an old saying that when a prophet points a finger at the moon it is a fool who only sees the finger. It is also true that when one “takes a handful of UNHAPPY VERSES AND IGNORES THE REST…they too are in error.” I am not...

Up before the family so may get a short post in. "RIGHTLY DIVIDED" is a good word Marks. If we take scriptures talking about the spirit and apply them to the soul then we have divided incorrectly and the sum of such reasoning will not only harm correct 'doctrinal' knowledge of the truth, but...

GAL 6:7 Be not led astray; God is not mocked; for what a man may sow - that also he shall reap, 8 because he who is sowing to his own flesh, of the flesh shall reap corruption; and he who is sowing to the Spirit, of the Spirit shall reap life age-during; Note, nothing is said here about the...

That is the position that I have rested in for many decades now. I never did any 'work' worthy of going to heaven. Jesus did. He was our meritorious and substitutional atoning sacrifice. We go based upon His righteousness.

Actually Hosea had nothing to do with the actual doctrine. It was just a cool verse to throw into the mix of 140 pages in this thread which has done 'what' concerning anyone's opinion? I'm curious, has anyone reversed their indoctrinated position, based upon these 140 pages? I ask, because I...

I am so grateful to have had a teacher open my eyes in 1973 to see a truth which has been missed, by both sides, of this five hundred year old doctrinal debate. Both sides have a '1/2 truth' that they have made 'the whole truth'. The fact that both sides quote 'their side's' verses to refute...

So you don't appear to be giving any credit to God for Paul's coming to the knowledge of realizing this was a spirit manifesting? Am I reading you wrong concerning this statement above? Are you saying Paul just figured it out after many days because the truth was repeated so many times it...

What do you mean "Paul HAD the spirit cast out of her."? ACT 16:18 And this she did for many days. But Paul was annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, "I charge you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And it came out that very hour. I know that you don't really know me, nor...

Unfortunately, the atheist I've debated the most with is an attorney and he is highly intelligent. Again, 'unfortunately', more intelligent than me. :dusted: I was shocked when I went to his home for the first time....and found out he had a bigger library on "Christianity" than I did. And he...

I have another question. Why didn't Paul cast that demon out days earlier? "And this she did for many days." Acts 16:18. Here's my summation; It was because it was 'the truth' AND Paul didn't know it was a demon. Not until he received a "spiritual gift" manifestation from the Holy Spirit...

Only one thing I'd change with your quote SteVen; I'd say "I find myself siding with the atheists, WHEN they are right about the bible and Christianity." But then I'd have to add; "I find myself siding AGAINST brethren WHEN they are WRONG about the bible and Christianity." :Broadly:

So, was "the girl who followed Paul, calling out"....telling a lie? No, it was 'the truth'. Hmmm.

I'd say that when I pray in tongues that it's a spiritual gift but it isn't the Holy Spirit of God manifesting. If you mean the 'gift of tongues' which is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit as in 1Cor 12, then I'd say yes. And as for prophecy??? again I'd say yes, I personally think that is us...

Not really. I don't know that the five-fold ministries are "offices". Can you think of any scripture that says they are? EPH 4:8 Therefore it is said, "When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts/doma to men." 1390 doma: a present EPH 4:11 And his gifts were that...

I agree. I have seen too many "spiritual gift" tests that looked more like a 'soulish talent evaluation'....or psychological evaluation. And the word for "gifts" concerning the five-fold ministers, is not 'charisma' in the Greek, it is 'doma'. Unfortunately, too many churches seem to gravitate...

I define 'spiritual gifts' from the Holy Spirit of God as separate from 'soulish (functioning brain) talents. I base this upon what scripture says concerning the prophet Jeremiah. JER 1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and...