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    Election The Chosing Of God

    Josiahdefender that was a GREAT POST...and when a person understands the Sovereignty of God, He sets us free fromthe grips of religion. The redemption of man is the completion of his creation, and depends for its final accomplishment on God and not on the individual.” A statement such as this...
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    Eternal Torment?

    Just to add some food for thought,in John 3:15,That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. The word "eternal" in the (Greek #166)is aionios, which means an age, just to keep it simple. Now,let's read it like a greek speaking person wouldtranslate it.That whosoever...
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    Eternally Burning Hell

    Great post...just to add some food for thought,in John 3:15,That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. The word "eternal" in the (Greek #166)is aionios, which means an age, just to keep it simple. Now,let's read it like a greek speaking person wouldtranslate...
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    Eternal Torment?

    To understand that statement,... we must study the Greekword "aionos".Hebrews 1:2 states, … God has in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He has appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds; … The English word “worlds” in this passage comes from the Greek word...
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    Are Souls Burned Forever And Ever?

    The people who "OVERCOME" will be teachers and instructorsin the Kingdom of God during the Millennium and also duringthe age of the Lake of Fire. Here is scripture to back upwhat has been said:Isa. 2:3,3 And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the...
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    Is The Osas Doctrine Satanic?

    QUOTE (watchman @ May 12 2009, 11:53 PM) So you dare call Christ a sinner?Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for...
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    Is The Osas Doctrine Satanic?

    QUOTE (forgivenWretch @ May 11 2009, 08:10 PM) So you are saying Christians do not sin?QUOTE Salvation is BELIEVING in Jesus Christ Yes, that is called Justification. That is where your spirit is saved but nowyou have to deal with your soul. You can't lose your Justification but youcan prolong...
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    Is The Osas Doctrine Satanic?

    QUOTE (GwH @ May 11 2009, 12:05 PM) A lot of this is confusing... So many different inputs. For clarification, I'm young and don't have a very concrete belief about OSAS. I enjoyed what you, Martin W., and you, Logabe, had to say. Both opinions seem intellectually dense, and I had a little bit...
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    Is The Osas Doctrine Satanic?

    QUOTE (Polar @ May 10 2009, 09:40 PM) "Who other than satan would want people to believe that they can continue in sin, refuse to do the Father will, walk the wide path that leads to destruction, and still get into Heaven, just because at one point they may have asks Jesus into their heart...
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    Eternal Torment?

    QUOTE (logabe @ May 3 2009, 07:10 AM) Personally I think each soul has been created eternal. Some to everlasting life , some to everlasting punishment. I think it applies to Satan , Holy Angels , and fallen angels as well. Scriptures seem to indicate it.If there is no eternal punishment , what...
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    Is The Osas Doctrine Satanic?

    QUOTE (Christina @ May 9 2009, 05:47 PM) Here dan p these are the believers the ministers the preachers He is speaking to here Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22...
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    Is The Osas Doctrine Satanic?

    QUOTE (Martin W. @ May 9 2009, 07:44 AM) Hi Mike.The verses in Hebrews 6 mean exactly what they say. Those people should not be returning again to repeat the repentance as they did when they were first saved by the elementary teachings of Christ. It has already been done. They have already...
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    Different Levels Of Sin..?

    QUOTE (Dan @ May 1 2009, 06:01 PM) Hi,It is my understanding that God detests all sin and that one sin is not necessarily worse than another because they are all bad.I also understand that Christians will ultimately be forgiven for all sin because Jesus paid the price for our sins.QUOTE...
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    Different Levels Of Sin..?

    QUOTE (Dan @ May 4 2009, 03:26 PM) My take on this issue is that we are forgiven of all sins through the blood of Jesus but when you commit a sin on earth there may still ramifications in this present world. If you steal the purse of a little old lady God may forgive you immediately, but the...
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    Eternal Torment?

    QUOTE (Martin W. @ May 2 2009, 12:34 AM) QUOTE This whole thread is uglier than an illegal dog fight. I would not be surprised if the enemy workers in the invisible realm are placing side bets on the contenders. This is the nicest way I can say it , sorry. However there are a couple of good...
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    Eternal Torment?

    QUOTE (Martin W. @ May 2 2009, 12:34 AM) This whole thread is uglier than an illegal dog fight. I would not be surprised if the enemy workers in the invisible realm are placing side bets on the contenders. This is the nicest way I can say it , sorry. However there are a couple of good points...
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    Eternal Torment?

    QUOTE (logabe @ Apr 26 2009, 08:48 AM) Let's take a look @ these two scriptures...yes, let's get thetrue translation so we can understand them properly.41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the...
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    Eternal Torment?

    QUOTE (Polar @ Apr 25 2009, 09:57 PM) I know that I am new here, but it seems that some of you here are more concerned with winning the argument than listening and possibly learning. QUOTE "Matthew 2541 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into...
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    Torture works ? but it's wrong

    QUOTE QUOTE (kiwimac @ Apr 24 2009, 06:46 AM) Torture does not work, it never works. Indeed if you torture someone for long enough all you will get is what they think will stop you hurting them. I agree...that's why I know God doesn't torture for eternity either. The judgments of God are...
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    What Is The Baptism Of Fire ?

    QUOTE (whirlwind @ Apr 19 2009, 02:25 PM) QUOTE How interesting. I always thought of the fire for believers as being a good thing but I believe you are correct. It seems the believers are baptized with the Holy Spirit while the others...with fire. In Daniel 7:9 and 10 the prophet saw God's...