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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Hebrews 5:1-2 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. You...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Hmm, the green text is the most painful part of these discussions. As @ProDeo pointed out, he doesn't seem to have a Christ he can truly relate to, or one who relates to him. What this also means is that the "good fight" isn't fought with the understanding that Christ overcame every sin these...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann 17 For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Your Jesus cannot be a High Priest Johann, Not sure if you know...
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Which verse above states Jesus had divine nature J? F2F
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    And later in that Psalm we have a Man of God called the Son of Man who trusted in his God to raise him from the Grave. "For You will not abandon my soul (life / existence) to Sheol (grave), nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay," The issue here for many is if Christ remained in the...
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Are you denying God used His Logos (breath) to create the Heavens? And the same Logos to make a man called Jesus? Your hermeneutics is based in the philosophies of men. F2F
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Jesus didn't have divine nature J...we have been over this so many times. Jesus was like you in "every respect!" F2F
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann, Let me ask you a question. How would you prefer the Trinity to be revealed in the Word of God, if you could shape it? Would you want it presented in a complex theological form, or would you prefer it to be revealed in pieces throughout the text? Would you like the doctrine to be...
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You don't have the T formula J, or the context. As soon as the Word made....you have Psalm 33:6-9 F2F
  10. face2face

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    @Davy Do you make the same inferences from other peoples names and titles? Joshua in the Bible! His original name was Oshea, meaning "Salvation" (Numbers 13:16), but Moses renamed him Yahoshua (contracted to Joshua in English), meaning "Yahweh's Salvation" or "He Who Will Be Salvation." The...
  11. face2face

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    Not God to Servant but Son to Servant Davy, if you want to understand the basis for Paul's words study the Servant Songs in Isaiah. The key is there! Follow Paul's lead and not the vain teachings of men! F2F
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I've put forward all the facts during our discussing and you avoided them which you are entitled to do. I have nothing more to add at this time. F2F
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I get why the Trinitarian want's Jesus to be God because they can't comprehend how a man can live a sinless life. So how did He do it? You might want to read the Scriptures! Jesus said, "The Father that dwells in Me, He does the works" (John 14:10). Jesus, a real man, also stated, "I can...
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This is a strong point! As soon as one accepts that Jesus has a God the trinity falls over! @ProDeo @David in NJ If everything which is "Of God" was made from His Logos then John 1:1 has been abused by Trinitarians for centuries! By the word (Logos) of the LORD the heavens were made, and by...
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    No thank you, I'll pass! I'm more interested with engaging with those who are honest and make their beliefs known F2F
  16. face2face

    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    Was the manna created in Heaven, directly from God's throne, or was it produced locally for the Israelites in the wilderness? The way Christ came into existence follows a similar principle. Was Christ a divine being who descended from Heaven into Mary's womb, or was the Logos, the Word, who...
  17. face2face

    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    If you could speak to Heb 2:14-end in your reply you would at least gain some credibility in this discussion but if you don't know what the Apostle is teaching this type of reply is your only riposte. F2F
  18. face2face

    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    You are correct however you miss the mark on how God had Victory over sin in the body of Christ Did you look up Romans 6:23? F2F
  19. face2face

    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    You mean open your commentaries J! I don't recall you ever asking a good question of the Word? Only copy and pasting GK text which you seem to find enjoyable. How many times did Jesus die to sin? What represented sin in him? Why did Jesus need to be under deaths dominion? What was the...
  20. face2face

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    You, Wrangler, and Pierac (of late) have an understanding that is far from mainstream. It gives me great strength and encouragement to know that there are believers in the world who have been revealed these truths and are able to correct those who harm themselves with deception. My study of...